Is there ever a time to flood AA preflop

#1 12th August 2007, 5:30 PM

I ve been having this discussion for a week now and I want to hear your opinions is there ever a time to flod Aces preflop.?

#2 12th August 2007, 5:33 PM

and I am talking pocket aces and any scenario

#3 12th August 2007, 5:36 PM

well if you flood them then the cards get all wet and you have to get a new deck

#4 12th August 2007, 5:38 PM

I've done it.

In a satellite, I had plenty of chips (can't remember then numbers, but 50+ BBs) and we were on the bubble (something like 8 people left with 7 seats) with a couple of people with less than 3 big blinds. Someone raised ahead of me (not one of the shorties) and there was no point getting involved.

#5 12th August 2007, 5:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by combuboom

well if you flood them then the cards get all wet and you have to get a new deck

This also is an important factor.

#6 12th August 2007, 6:44 PM

Say you have quarter size average tournament stack but are not yet really short stacked. Three people go all in before you. If you go all in and win, you will come up to average. If you lose, you are out. Versus three RANDOM hands AA is less than 50% and these people think they have something. Fold and wait for a better deal.

#7 12th August 2007, 6:46 PM

And be sure to play with plastic cards.

#8 12th August 2007, 9:09 PM

i doubt i would ever fold AA preflop unless there were 3-4 people already all in in the hand and i was risking more than 50% of my stack late in a tourney. However, if i was in the $ already and sitting good I would definitely try to build up my stack with AA

#9 12th August 2007, 9:17 PM

in some satellite situations yes.

in some highly manufactured and unrealistic late tournament situations yes.

in all other situations no.

#10 12th August 2007, 9:19 PM

Ive folded them once ever online, in a similar situation to rex described. It was a sunday million sat and i was guarenteed a seat if i folded every hand, no need to get involved.

#11 12th August 2007, 9:38 PM

Just can agree. Bubble play is secure play....if you have enough chips.

#12 12th August 2007, 9:45 PM

I've folded them once, was transferring 20$ to a friend, but had to transfer at least 50$ if done the legal way. So we sat down and I got dealt AA at the first hand, so I raised it up to 19.90 and folded for the last 10 cents. Other then that, I don't think I'll lay them down easily.

#13 13th August 2007, 12:22 AM

it's interesting to me because i agree w/everyone's analysis of when it's better to fold. but i know in a game, no matter what the situation, i just don't see myself folding.

#14 14th August 2007, 3:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigpen02

Say you have quarter size average tournament stack but are not yet really short stacked. Three people go all in before you. If you go all in and win, you will come up to average. If you lose, you are out. Versus three RANDOM hands AA is less than 50% and these people think they have something. Fold and wait for a better deal.

who cares im still calling everytime.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irexes

I've done it.

In a satellite, I had plenty of chips (can't remember then numbers, but 50+ BBs) and we were on the bubble (something like 8 people left with 7 seats) with a couple of people with less than 3 big blinds. Someone raised ahead of me (not one of the shorties) and there was no point getting involved.

this is the absolute only time.

#15 14th August 2007, 3:56 AM

Absolutely, if you are playing razz, it is seldom hard to fold AAx.

In fact, I just did it, this very minute. AA9.

#16 19th August 2007, 11:18 PM

I am talking about nl holdem pre flop...... after the flop I have no problem getting rid of AA ..... But pre flop I just can't find a situation where I would lay em down to any bet

#17 19th August 2007, 11:43 PM

Honestly, I don't know why you would. I can't think of a single situation, other than bubble play in a tournament, when you would fold AA preflop. I mean, this game is entirely built on getting your chips into the middle with the best hand. AA is the best starting hand possible. I've mucked AA plenty of times, but only when the board turned on me, my aces didn't improve, and I felt I was beat. But pre-flop? No way!

#18 19th August 2007, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seneku

I've folded them once, was transferring 20$ to a friend, but had to transfer at least 50$ if done the legal way. So we sat down and I got dealt AA at the first hand, so I raised it up to 19.90 and folded for the last 10 cents. Other then that, I don't think I'll lay them down easily.

So basically your telling us you chip dumped to your friend?
That is against the rules on all poker site and your lucky you didn't get caught.

#19 20th August 2007, 12:10 AM

I will flood them when I am running so hot they start on fire.

#20 20th August 2007, 12:10 AM

The only time I have mucked AA pre-flop is in a freeroll. Ten-handed table with 8 sitouts, I colluded with the other guy to take down the blinds in turn.

This may not be ethical but with so many sit outs the tournament had no credibility anyway.

#21 20th August 2007, 2:28 AM

I think near the bubble is the only spot where it might happen in any sort of periodic fashion, as Irexes described.

I was following the WSOP Main event threads on another forum and this indeed happened in the main event. I think the money positions started around the 650th position (just going by memory) and as they were playing hand-for-hand somea few players admitted (and I think one showed) that they folded Aces in hopes of making ITM.

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