Switching to limit ring - I have questions!

Limit poker is the only game I like because most limit games i think are easer to win in the long run. Sure it will take longer to win a lot of money but limit is just a game of odds and discipline.


Question #1 Limits

This is simple what is your bankroll? I found that if you dont want to add more money to your bankroll at all if your a Intermediate player play what you can afford at buying in with 100 times the big blind at a level + 3 additional buy ins. This will give you room for the swings that you will get playing limit. Some times when you play limit the games it seems that you cant win for a long time so this will get you though the rough spots. I personally play $2/$4


question #2 starting hands

Use all starting hand you would with NL. You will find that you are allowed by odds to play more suited connectors and just plain old connectors. You like short handed so you will find standard raises with starting hands the same as NL.

Question #3 short vs full tables
I would have to say this is up to your style of play. I love short handed but if you like to wait for the great hand to play you will lose more with the blinds.

Question #4 tips

Patience, patience, patience
Limit is a game of mistakes make your opponents make more then you. It takes longer to make up for one mistake in limit because you cant bluff or raise more to make up for your loss with second best last hand.

One tip that may help is that if you find your limit play 3 tables play and just play odds. Sure you cant see every trap but the amount of hands your playing will make up for it. This is only if your just play your odds.

That's awesome... I'm hoping that learning and practicing to be a good LHE player will improve my discipline, which is tough to maintain when one mostly plays NLHE MTTs and heads up SNGs!

I don't think this should be the only consideration though, when starting out. By your guideline, I need 400 BBs to play a given level, which given my recent string of lucky successes means I could probably play at quite a high level, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I should (yet!).

This one is quite interesting. Your view here seems to be in opposition to F Paulsson (normally at the very least, this should make you take a second look at what you're saying). I'm not sure the implied odds are there for suited connectors. Sure, you can call the pre-flop raise easily, but let's say there is 1 limper and you call with 76s and hit 2 pair or a straight or something. Are you really getting raisers/callers to the river? Maybe, but I'm not quite sure the odds work out unless you're in late position and get a lot of callers. Not saying you're wrong, just that it's position/situation dependent (and maybe that's always true, but then it's more so here).

I hear ya about patience. I have learned that the hard way a couple of times. You can do a lot of damage playing a dumb hand. Loud and clear. I like the idea of multi-tabling once I know the fundamentals pretty well. First 2, then maybe 3. Can't imagine much more than that.

I must add to my answer to Question #2
I feel dumb I didnt see this flaw. I mean to add this . You are allowed to play more connectors and S connectors then in NL because of more limpers in more hands. What I mean for this is in limit there are more players on the flop then in NL. This does not change starting hands preflop just the fact that you get odds for these hands more often. This is one reason why I love limit games. Well live games are better for this but even online games have this quality. I guess I like this because of having a better chance at getting a hidden monster for cheap.

When it becomes a donkfest like this, (Costadel is a HUGE donk fest..) You've just got to tighten up.. When your table is full of donks your monster hands get payed off so many more times... Just wait on those hands and then double / tripple up

I use to play the .02/.04 at costadel, 4/5 tables at once and just sat there, I wouldn't raise preflop unless I had AA,KK,QQ... and would just wait on the huge hands.... and would almost always double up, it was huge profits (Granted there is a LOT more donks then average at the B2B network... I'm not quite sure why there are so many there but there is.) I would also limp in a lot... Because most of the donks I see are post flop donk's... limp in hit second pair and bet it hard lol.

It was very profitable, and very stable as long as you don't tilt...

Anyways sorry I'm gettin off topic...

I've been wanting to play some Limit games, but I find at the .25/.50 limit ring games, It's too full of donks... Everyone just calls till the river and it feels like it's more luck rather then anything else... I dunno I havn't really looked into it too much.

Agreed...

You should take your own advice, Xife. If everyone is calling to the river then proceed from the flop with monster hands only and you'll do well.

Note: Hey guys, thanks for all the advice here. I am off back home for the X-Mas holidays, not sure whether I'll be able to connect from there or not, but everyone have a very happy holidays and I look forward to getting back to this when I get back.

Holiday Cheers!
Beriac

Yes perhaps I should, I just can't effectivly find a way to cash in on monster hands in limit like i can in NL.. Perhaps it is my lack of experience in limit tho..

We all get the same number of winning and losing hands. The good limit player loses less on his losing hands and wins more on his winning ones, thus netting a nice profit from the ones who do the opposite.

its funny you want to move from NL to Limit! i am about to make the opposite move. playing 3/6 for along time now and pretty much even steven. i think i will be able to make more money playing NL because i only have 2 or 3 hrs to sit down now where in limit i would play for 6 hrs at a time.
i dont think my BR could handle 6 hrs of NL!

Granted i definatly play way to tight of a limit game to make serious profits, if i loosened up a little bit i could probably increase my win rate.

I would agree with Welly: You gotta get your feet wet with low limit games, $1-$2 or even $0.50-$1. You'll be able to see a lot of hands and get into a groove as to how your table plays for cheap. Also, read a lot of books by some of the big names (Brunson, Sklansky, etc) -AND- keep a log of your play and the players you play against. Do this for 6 months and you'll be a LOT further ahead and maybe ready for the next step up.

Hope this helps,
vatyx

I`m new to limit cash games.

I play $0.50/1.00 but have just moved up to $1.00/2.00.

I`m actually doing well, but I`m not getting carried away yet

My early thoughts are

1. Only play hands you would raise with in middle to late position when playing no limit (unless in the blinds, obviously)
2. Suited connectors below 10 9 are a no no for me - unless I`m in late position and there are a lot of callers (odds)
3. I want to credit F Paulsson for this one - bet your draws. If u r on a flush draw after the flop u want as much cash in as u can get. You will also have the benefit of ppl folding to your bet. Same applies to open ended draws.

Thats my early Limit holdem thoughts guys

Hey guys,

Back from holiday. Thanks for the additional responses. I continue to think believe that playing a solid LHE game is key for me to learn discipline, so I plan to pick up and read Small Stakes Holdem as discussed and keep practicing.

We'll see how much practice I'm able to realistically get in conjunction to one of my 2007 resolutions, which is to play less but better poker. I'm not sure how well LHE will lend itself to just semi-regular play, but I look forward to finding out and hopefully improving my overall game.

Thanks everyone,
Beriac