Super-Turbos

Ive played 50, 6 person Super Turbo Sit and Go's on Carbon. I played the $1.06 Buy-In
You start out with 1000 chips, Blinds are 50/100 and going up every 3 minutes.
My first 20 games or so were a total loss. I ended up approximately $17 down. My next 30 games were approximately break even. Surprisingly enough my last 30 games I actually tightened up my starting range and played more position and patience. Still it's basically a Push/Fold game.
My question is this. Is there anyone out there that has showed a consistant profit on these games. After 50 games (I realize it's too small of a sample) it seems a competition of dodging land minds and winning coin flips. Land minds being getting suck out on by any two suited cards, etc. I think I will move on to find another game. Just wanted anyone's opinion that was familiar with these. Thanks

On ps I'm up over a few 100 games. Basically all you need to do is know how to play the bubble as a medium stack and as a large stack because other players just don't have a clue.

Well 100 games is a tiny sample in the Hypers, most players who play these consistantly are small winners or losers and RB pros. These people play 100 games in an hour or two and swing wildlly because that is the nature of the game.

To play these consistantly I would want to be way overrolled to handle such swings and would want my mental game to be sharp to deal with it. I would also work on shove/fold ranges and percentages and look for a site that offers a great RB for traffic ratio.

Truth is many players dont really have a clue in many forms of poker, not really anyway. I know I dont.

Yea I know a few 100 is a small size but I've seen enough to know someone could absolute crush these games at $1.50 level, I think I could have about a 10% ROI over a few thousand games. I've had a few shots at $7 level and average level is better but still pretty bad and easily beatable by an experienced player.

Are you an experieced player?

I think your underestimating the swings a little, they are beatable but in no way easily beatable. Though I wish you luck and I may try a few hu hypers down the line after my turbo game gets a bit better.

No I'm not an experienced player, I've played enough to see some ridiculously bad play, even winning players have made some pretty shocking bubble play. The $1.50 level is easily beatable. $7 level is beatable for a decent ROI.

hypers hu are far suprior to turbo hu imo and I'd move on to them now rather than later. You can get a superior hourly playing hypers as well as people being super expoitable at micros.

Aren't the payouts for the 6 handed super turbos not great on merge except for the winner? Doesn't 2nd place not even get double their buy in back?

Yes, Buy in is 1.06
1st place gets 4.20
2nd place gets 1.80

I Used to frequent these games, And I can tell you, the swings are dramatic. I have lost 15 games in a row before, but also I have won 3 4 in a row as well.

You just have to have a solid shove/fold strat. and watch your tables. You will figure out who is going to call you light, and who is too tight.

Shove more on the tight players, fold more ( even some premiums ) vs light callers, because the biggest point of the game is survival rather than show down value.

When you are card dead ( happens all too often ) you need to learn to pick spots to shove. Not to bluff, but just to steal. This is when you look for your tight players, if you shove on a guy who calls and shoves light, he will call your T7o with Q9s because it looks pretty, and you are already behind.

Vs. a tight player, if he calls you, your screwed but your play was + EV in the long hall.

You def need a huge roll for this, and can not become result oriented. This game you will lost to crap, win with crap, lost with monsters, and of course win with monsters.

The best way to treat these games is by knowing who to steal the blinds from, because THIS is the biggest key to the game. everyone is short, so eveyone is shoving lighter, thus others should be calling lighter.

Anyone have any specific questions let me know, I had a thread going on my own ST gaming, but my hud is glitching for Tourneys right now

i have played a fair amt of these, seems like there are a lot of bad players, but the variance is crazy- thinks its best to have a rakeback deal and a poor memory if you are going to play them

barely profit off of these..the variance sucks unless your on crack

Good for releaseing bonuses

Yea the varience is brutal at times

I've tried a couple of these, and in the long run, I've been losing quite a couple dollars off of this too. I think that patience is key, but also avoiding land mines too. Sorry you've had bad luck :[.

ofc, on super turbos u can fail hard because blinds are big and growing up rlly fast so u dont have time to w8 better hands and games like that is about 80% luck...

Personally i never liked super turbos, i vote for slow lvl up, deepstack tours where you can rlly play some good poker

I just play them to rack up points for the rake races.

Yeah super turbos are so swingy sometimes it's ridiculous. Definitely have to have a deep enough bankroll to play these in case you go on a big losing streak. It's not all about hands though, it's also about situational poker and playing the player.

i'd rather play poker

What does this comment even mean? Please expand on it because it makes zero sense. If you are a winning player and you play an infinite amount of games it will be 0% luck as you're true ROI and actual ROI converge to an infinitely close number. This is true for every form of SnG, deepstacked or otherwise.

There is luck involved in ST's for sure, but your statement just seems very bad due to lack of information or intelligence on the matter. ST's are all about knowing M theory and correct shove/fold spots, etc and can be very lucrative. Most players will hold a 1-5% ROI but due to the volume that gets put in you get good returns in RB.