"Sorry"

#1 25-08-2007, 3:49 PM

Does anybody say "sorry" when they win a ton of chips from somebody? I do at times when my opponent makes the right decision but I just have the better hand or get lucky. I don't when some moron goes all in with a pair of eights when the possibility of me having three of a kind is there (that situation just happened).

#2 26-08-2007, 5:01 AM

i will usually say "sorry" or "oops" if I went in with the lower hand and got lucky.

#3 26-08-2007, 6:15 AM

I say sorry mainly if I cripple them. If I double and they don't even notice, I won't make them. It could draw attention to yourself that you don't want.

#4 26-08-2007, 6:20 AM

No, I don't say sorry anymore. If I put my chips in and hit my hand, then so be it. Just because someone is 85% to win a hand does not entitle them to an apology simply because a particular hand landed in the other 15%.

And if, on some rare occassion you actually get a "sorry" out of me at a table, it's hollow. I don't mean it (which is why I generally don't say it). I'm not playing poker for other peoples' feelings, so if I win a longshot hand, great. Yay me!

#5 26-08-2007, 6:25 AM

I am never sorry to win a hand, even if it is a suckout. If it is my KK against an AA and I get a K on the river, I am NOT sorry. I am overjoyed! If I took all their chips in a MTT I am NOT sorry. Eliminating competition by whatever means is what the object of the tournament is. If you were truly sorry, you would give the chips back.

#6 26-08-2007, 6:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pigpen02

If you were truly sorry, you would give the chips back.

^^^ this made me laugh. And it's so true. Instead of saying "sorry", I'd be more apt to say, "wow, that sucked for you". But since it would be fairly rude to say that, I leave it at saying nothing.

#7 26-08-2007, 6:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

^^^ this made me laugh. And it's so true. Instead of saying "sorry", I'd be more apt to say, "wow, that sucked for you". But since it would be fairly rude to say that, I leave it at saying nothing.

I agree with these statements

#8 26-08-2007, 6:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

No, I don't say sorry anymore. If I put my chips in and hit my hand, then so be it. Just because someone is 85% to win a hand does not entitle them to an apology simply because a particular hand landed in the other 15%.

And if, on some rare occassion you actually get a "sorry" out of me at a table, it's hollow. I don't mean it (which is why I generally don't say it). I'm not playing poker for other peoples' feelings, so if I win a longshot hand, great. Yay me!

^^^this, can't say anymore than that.

#9 26-08-2007, 9:41 AM

Raising your hand in apology during a tennis match when you fluke a shot is a dignified act where you acknowledge that you got lucky - and is acceptable.

Apologising for winning someone's money in a game where luck plays a big part, and the object is to win their money, is a bit odd.

#10 26-08-2007, 10:04 AM

You need to make a distinction between "Sorry, it's my fault" (apology) and "I'm sorry for you" (empathy).

For example, if someone's relative died you might say "I'm so sorry" to the person, and yet it would be inappropriate for them to respond "Why are you sorry, you didn't kill them".

Same thing in poker: "sorry" means empathy (for a bad beat), not an apology for winning.

#11 26-08-2007, 11:18 AM

It's still a bit odd.

#12 26-08-2007, 11:25 AM

I like to say sorry if I know them or hav been having fun with them on the table

#13 26-08-2007, 3:35 PM

While I agree that this distinction

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Originally Posted by aliengenius

"Sorry, it's my fault" (apology) and "I'm sorry for you" (empathy).

is true, and I agree that

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Originally Posted by aliengenius

if someone's relative died you might say "I'm so sorry" to the person, and yet it would be inappropriate for them to respond "Why are you sorry, you didn't kill them".

is accurate (and a rather amusing example), I do not agree with it being the

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Originally Posted by aliengenius

Same thing in poker: "sorry" means empathy (for a bad beat), not an apology for winning.

IMO, sorry (as in apology) does not apply because I'm not actually sorry my opponent lost even though I was involved, and sorry (as in empathy) does not apply because I don't feel for them or care that they lost. The odds are all about math, not emotion. When a person is 88% to win a hand, it means that in the long run they will win 88 times out of 100. It doesn't mean they get to win 100 times out of 100 (like some players seem to believe...gee I'm 88%, I should have won), it means they are going to lose 12 times out of 100. People seem to get so hung up on how often they should win, that they seem to forget that. Then when one of the 12 times comes along, there should automatically be some out pouring of emotion or support because some statistical fact took place?

Guess I just don't see it. My goal is to win. By definition, for me to win, someone must lose. When I win, I'm happy for me, but I'm not even close to being sorry for their loss (not in any sense of the word). I'm sure as heck not apologetic because my goal was to win and that was accomplished. And I'm not empathetic because I had a specific chance of winning a hand (be it 90% favorite or 2% dog) and my chance held or came in just like it is supposed to on those number of occassions. Should we then start apologizing for hands we win when we are 99% favorities? "I know you're supposed to win 1 time out of 100 in this scenario, and I truly appreciate how bad you must feel for not having that one time hit...I'm so very sorry." ???

Of course keep in mind that my hard line mindset on this is specific to my winning at the table. I can be empathetic when providing feedback on REAL bad beats in HA or the B&BB sections.

#14 26-08-2007, 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TurnipHead

Apologising for winning someone's money in a game where luck plays a big part, and the object is to win their money, is a bit odd.

Never apologise....why should you, you have put your chips in, in the belief that you are either winning or believe you will end up winning......and when you do regardless of how you do win is irrelevant......give it an ouch or as stated before "well that sucked" etc.,..... but never apologise...!!!!

My issue with the above comment is the amount of luck that you believe is involved in the game.....the idea, I feel about poker is to get good enough at it in order for you not to need to rely on the "luck" factor of poker so much......yes of course there will always be an element of luck involved in poker, that's the nature of the game but to say "luck plays a big part" of the game is IMO an incorrect statement and newer players should not believe or take this attitude regarding poker as more likely than not you will become a fish and remain one........So rely on your skill to win games and let lady luck look after herself.

#15 26-08-2007, 4:44 PM

Quote"My goal is to win. By definition, for me to win, someone must lose. When I win, I'm happy for me, but I'm not even close to being sorry for their loss (not in any sense of the word). I'm sure as heck not apologetic because my goal was to win and that was accomplished. And I'm not empathetic because I had a specific chance of winning a hand (be it 90% favorite or 2% dog) and my chance held or came in just like it is supposed to on those number of occassions."

Perfectly said.
Hi all,
The one place I have never said sorry, and never will say sorry is in a poker game, i'm not a liar and I don't intend to start saying things I don't mean, ever. If I beat someone he/she should be sorry for playing the hand no? Why should I be sorry for winning the hand? Makes no sense to me.

Tony


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