Soft play penalized at WSOP

#1 6th November 2009, 10:48 PM

Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:42:23

Lady Penalized, Patronized

An unfortunate lady was taken aside by a floorman who most apologetically explained to her that she was being penalized for checking the nuts. "You see, you had the best hand possible, so if someone bets you have to raise and if someone checks you have to bet, you have to create action. See, if you don't, then it's more like a home game, with everyone just checking and all friendly..." The lady in question looked suitably patronized, and was issued her penalty on top of that.

#2 6th November 2009, 10:53 PM

Pretty old but yea, you cant check the nuts as your last action in expensive tourneys.

#3 6th November 2009, 11:02 PM

You can if you can honestly claim you didn't realize you had the absolute nuts on the river and they believe you.

#4 6th November 2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

You can if you can honestly claim you didn't realize you had the absolute nuts on the river and they believe you.

Then they tell you your playing out of your league LOL if you dont know what the nuts are then what the hell are you doing playing in the WSoP.

#5 6th November 2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Grossberger

Then they tell you your playing out of your league LOL if you dont know what the nuts are then what the hell are you doing playing in the WSoP.

Tell that to Phil Ivey that folded a flush on the river to a trivial bet because he forgot he had a spade. His wasn't the nuts obv, but shit happens. You've never misread your hand?

#6 6th November 2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

Tell that to Phil Ivey that folded a flush on the river to a trivial bet because he forgot he had a spade. His wasn't the nuts obv, but shit happens. You've never misread your hand?

Folding the winning hand = action and attention

So... Folding the nuts = HOLY SHIT!

#7 7th November 2009, 12:00 AM

I believe this falls into the category of "Don't tap the glass." Leave the fish alone! Especially in the WSOP Main Event, generally considered a softer field than any other 10k tourney.

There are many people playing in this event who may not realize they have the nuts on some boards and they shouldn't be penalized for this. I think it's bs to enforce this.

#8 7th November 2009, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Velutha

There are many people playing in this event who may not realize they have the nuts on some boards

^^^ This is so true as well. Basically look at the starting field on days 1A-1? they do. There will be a bunch in each of those days that completely dumb-lucked their way into the game and have no real business being there.

#9 7th November 2009, 12:16 AM

I was gonna post something else about this but got incredibly hungry looking at your brisket and now can only think about food......

#10 7th November 2009, 12:28 AM

What was the penalty?

#11 7th November 2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by clubsta

What was the penalty?

Death.

The WSOP doesn't mess around.

#12 7th November 2009, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Velutha

I was gonna post something else about this but got incredibly hungry looking at your brisket and now can only think about food......

yummmmm donuts...err.... brisssssket

But where in the rules of poker does it say you have to play correctly? I sure hope that's a written rule 'cuz i agree with the fish theory, don't tap the glass, just milk the fish... yuk... well, u know what i mean.

#13 7th November 2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortis

Death.

The WSOP doesn't mess around.

By beheading still right?

#14 7th November 2009, 1:09 AM

Are u kidding me? lmao, the way u play can get u penalized?

does this fall in the "trapping" play?lol

MAKE THEM PAY TO PLAY!

#15 7th November 2009, 1:16 AM

That rule only comes up if you are: last to act on the river, holding the nuts, and your check or call would close the action.

Really, it rarely comes up, and most of the time it does it is due to a misread hand or the player being a clueless fish... Rather than a purposeful softplay to help another player in the hand conserve chips.

So it's one of those rules that has to be on the books "just in case". I think JD is right, that if you claimed ignorance/misread hand, and appear genuine, I think there's a good chance you wouldn't get penalized.

#16 7th November 2009, 3:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean Pilgrim

By beheading still right?

Yep.

Chopping block + Axe

#17 7th November 2009, 4:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean Pilgrim

By beheading still right?

No, they put you in a room with Hellmuth for 2 hours.

#18 7th November 2009, 5:43 AM

is that for real?
i think she paid her buyin so she can do whatever she wants with her chips..

#19 7th November 2009, 6:03 AM

Wild. I actually wrote about this very thing in a thread about a week ago called "Live Tournament Rules". OzExorcist, who is a an expert about such matters, explained it all very clearly.

If I were ever to enter a WSOP event, I would make sure I knew the rules cold. To check them out, go to www.pokertda.com

#20 7th November 2009, 8:01 PM

wow i nvr knew such rules existed. but then again she might be too nervous? happened when i went for my first APPT, kept shivering like hell don't know if the aircon or what

#21 7th November 2009, 8:22 PM

In my opinion she should be penalized. Granted it may have been a mental error, but there is absolutely no reason you should check/call the nuts on the river unless you are trying to preserve the chips of the other player.

#22 8th November 2009, 9:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

Tell that to Phil Ivey that folded a flush on the river to a trivial bet because he forgot he had a spade. His wasn't the nuts obv, but shit happens. You've never misread your hand?

No, it's worse than that. He didn't fold to a bet, they checked the hand all the way down. All he had to do was turn his hand over. But yeah, you're right, shit happens, and yes I've misread my hand.

#23 8th November 2009, 9:57 PM

Really thats crazy...It is kind of like chess in which you have to eat the pond if it's there...is this rule effected in all live poker tournaments or just WSOP because it has to be so official n stuff..I guess she was really trying to trap the opponent but it figues that she should do something if she has the absolute nuts...What episode or what day of WSOP did this happen? I want to check it out

#24 8th November 2009, 10:17 PM

It's not about trapping.Checking the nuts when you are last to speak cannot help you trap someone.This rule is enforced to stop collusion.She may have been trying to do other player a favor by not trying to get more of that player's chips.

#25 8th November 2009, 10:26 PM

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This rule is enforced to stop collusion.

This

#26 8th November 2009, 10:31 PM

That is pretty crazy...I guess that is a good rule....but I guess...lol...
What was she penalized??

Plus collusion is huge, we all think it's not happening, but it is. I would hate for that to happen to me....but it wont, I am not nice. haha.

#27 10th November 2009, 4:16 PM

If she had the nuts and wasn't betting, maybe she was trying to slow play her opponents. I don't know but If I get a hand and flop the nuts I'll slow play it to the river for better action.

#28 10th November 2009, 4:53 PM

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Originally Posted by testreet

is this rule effected in all live poker tournaments or just WSOP

A couple weeks ago I asked the Floor in two of our local riverboats and they both said the rule was pretty much universal. One of them said that tournament poker was about destroying your opponent's stack to the max and doing anything less was against the rules. I thought that remark was interesting.

#29 10th November 2009, 9:09 PM

I don't follow...You get penalized if you slow play the nuts, yet it's your money? There-Fore should'nt you be allowed to play anyway you deem fit, "Since the buy-in, Came from your pocket"? I mean, come on, when do they stop, with these outrages Rules.....

#30 10th November 2009, 9:21 PM

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Originally Posted by naruto_miu

I don't follow...You get penalized if you slow play the nuts, yet it's your money?

You can slowplay all day long if you wish, but if you have the absolute best hand possible and you are LAST TO ACT ON THE RIVER, YOU HAVE TO BET.

It's a rule to help stop possible collusion.

#31 10th November 2009, 9:28 PM

The people in this thread anger me. Can the opening poster please edit his post to say this:

That rule only comes up if you are: last to act on the river, holding the nuts, and your check or call would close the action.

I am leaving now.

#32 10th November 2009, 9:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Effexor

You can slowplay all day long if you wish, but if you have the absolute best hand possible and you are LAST TO ACT ON THE RIVER, YOU HAVE TO BET.

It's a rule to help stop possible collusion.

Ah, That's True...I did'nt really think of it that way....

Sry all once again....

Well then what if the person seriously did'nt know they had the best possible hand???? Or what if they for some reason, just blanked out, and forgot it's there turn to act???

#33 10th November 2009, 10:58 PM

I checked the nuts on the river last to act in a cash game once:

A♣K♣, flop comes A♥ 7♥ 8♣, check, I bet, call, turn 6♣, check, I bet, call, river 5♣, check, I check [or something to that effect]... not even seeing/remembering the runner runner flush...

#34 11th November 2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by aliengenius

I checked the nuts on the river last to act in a cash game once:

A♣K♣, flop comes A♥ 7♥ 8♣, check, I bet, call, turn 6♣, check, I bet, call, river 5♣, check, I check [or something to that effect]... not even seeing/remembering the runner runner flush...

Ah, but if your recollection is correct (which it usually is), then you didn't check the nuts. 9♣7♣ would have been the nuts for a straight flush...A♣K♣ was actually like the third nuts there.

#35 13th November 2009, 12:40 AM

I get that he made a mistake, but I know what I have when I look at the cards. Everyone is a beginner at some point, and these rich people are easy money to most. Here fishy fishy fishy fishy!

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