Sick sick sick new tool

UM ITS CALLED VERIENSE

Variance is a myth! Where have you been man!?

man, you are so right. screw the tools, who wants to go rounders style with me? You with me Sean? Wanna go read some souls?

Ya man, let's do it. We can run the tables over we'll be rich in no time.

I know a game. Real fat. A bunch of municipal workers

I hope you don't need a computer to tell you to fold that. But, depends on your play style. I play tight. All the guy needs is one K in his hand, and you lose with your pocket 10's unless you try to draw a 10 (wouldn't be very smart). Why would you continue to bet (well, you can make tiny calls) if you don't even have top pair? You said he plays mid to top cards right? Don't see the need for a program. With as many unknowns as you just described, and playing against someone like that, fold, find another table. Yup, I feel it.

Plus, the flop didn't do jack for you and your pocket 10's. If you wanted If you wanted to bet that, I'd say your style is too aggressive/risky (for my taste anyway). Wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too many unknowns. Unless your style is aggressive OR (not "and" because there is a difference between aggression and well timed aggression) risky (fishy), if you can't feel that hand should be folded, then poker might not be for you. Even if you do have an aggressive style...this type of situation puts you at risk. So, what the hell would you even need to think about? Just because you nailed a pocket pair doesnt mean JACK until you see that flop. It is then you should know, based on your playing style, your hand, the flop and your borderline maniac opponents style (that you are able to plug into the program) what action to take. For me, its fold, BUT what do I know, I only play freerolls

Also, just because you get the numbers from the program (11%, 5%, 1% chance, etc that they will have whatever)...its POKER. The numbers actually mean NOTHING. Usually, when you slow play someone or end up in a big pot, its because you have cards that a program would say are next to impossible (5%, 2% chance)...same for your opponents. If you bet/play according to this bull, then you'll probably be sorry. You need to pay attention to the players, not these damn programs. They are useless and aiding in crippling your poker game.

How about this, play/watch free/cash money games 5 hours a day for 5 days. While your playing, play tight. For every flop you see (even the ones you folded pf) think of all the possibilities for that flop. Continue with the turn/river. Then, when you realize your doing it subconsciously, start doing that AND pay attention to the way players at your table bet their hands. Though some are harder to figure out than others, you'll find their game. You'll become your own program, and won't lead yourself wrong based on percentages...You'll feel it. My 10 cents.

^ wat

The double fisted argument of "I don't need to analyze hands to improve my game" and "BTW I only play freerolls" ALWAYS wins.

nh, wp.

LMAO at all the haterz, ftw!

This has got to be a level, right?

God I love playing against players like you. Or is floating one of these new age concepts you haven't bothered to learn as well?

As for your comment at the good hands the program saying they're unlikely, you obviously don't get the point of it. YOU PUT THEM ON A RANGE just as you do in real life, only in real life you sort of estimate it knowing that pairs are less likely than suited cards are less likely than offsuit. This program does that for you. People who criticize programs like these don't understand a bit what they actually do and then try to sound smart when dismissing them. No program tells you what people have, or even puts opponents on ranges. You have to do that. That's the poker skill that you're talking about having and that everyone has to have even if they want to use the program. The point is you can figure out how often an opponent has certain hands if you think you have a good range nailed down for the villain.

^ I love players like you more.

I play very very tight, but I switch it up when the time is right. Say what you want about how I play, but it works...very well. Especially against looser/aggressive players who try to push me out of my "comfort zone". I love it. It makes me money. Sharks and Pros are my favorites to play because their experience is sort of their downfall.

Also, thanks for saying I sound intelligent. Much appreciated. I thought I'd let you know though that I fully understand what the program is supposed to do FOR YOU and I do know exactly what I am saying. I also know what your supposed to take into consideration when using these horrible programs. But apparently, you thought you found a loop hole or something in my statement, and you don't understand what I was saying. This sentence is all you need. If your any type of real player, you shouldn't need a program. Simple as that. You can try to defend these pieces of crap all you'd like. I have no problem that you need assistance with your game. FYI most people don't know how to use these things properly, and wonder why they are losing.

BTW I'm not hating. Use this crap if you'd like . Whatever sinks your boat.

Also, I do play freerolls, so what? When I took my little $2.00 (some of what I won in a freeroll) to a table, I left with $10. I must be doing something right. Jeez talk about haters...

How on earth are these programs horrible and crap? They do nothing BUT improve your game.

So your style works well against all the sharks and pros you find at the penny tables? Lots of sharks and pros there, they could be making sums as large as like an entire dollar an hour.

Agreed 100% with that last sentence. It doesn't play the game for you and you have to already be knowledgable of poker to use it effectively. You give this to a total fish and they won't understand it, they'll act as you said: "there's only a 2% chance, obvious call" when they're assigning a K high as a hand that would stack.

But the bold part is just ignorant. It's not to use while you play, but it will help you learn just as odds/outs charts do. I don't use one but I no longer need to. This tool is to be used when analyzing a previous hand, and seeing in certain situations whether a move is profitable. This is again equivalent to the pro baseball player saying "if you're any type of real player you don't need to hit off a tee every day".

Neither am I, I still don't think you understand what the program does and if you do don't understand how it would be used, but if you don't want to know that's fine. You can continue to use your feel while others are passing you by.

Zach, if you can't feel it man it's OK just fall back on your little software crutches. Real men play the player anyway. The cards mean nothing.

Give me a break.

lol I'll play it blind, looking at your cards is for pussies who can't handle the real game. I'm all-in, CRAP what are the odds of that? My 29o ran into AA. @#$@#%@#%@#%@#%@#%@#$@#$@#$@#$@$#@$.

Maybe I should go check my program on the odds of that. OMG 22,560 TO 1 (8/52)(3/51)(4/50)(3/49) SOMEONE CALL THE RIGGED POLICE POKER IS RIGGED AND JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T LOOK AT MY CARDS THEY RIGGED IT AND MY FANCY SCHMANCY SOFTWARE AND MATH SKILLZ PROVED IT AND THEY CAN'T GET OUT OF IT NOW I PROVED IT AND I QUIT!!!@$%@#%@#%@#%@#@%@#

OMG that might be the most ignorant poker post ever.

More than you'd think, and for different reasons too. Also, as you may know, toward the end of the free rolls, the real players start to come out. I frequent free rolls and often make it to that point. My style holds up just fine against them. I only lose due to horrible luck (turns & rivers have it out for me in a baaaad way).


So, you needed to sit down, and compute your previous hands in order to become a decent player? You had to rely on a program to do that for you? You couldn't over time, like a true player (IMO), figure this out for YOURSELF? And this isn't baseball, but just so you know, your quote is irrelevant. Why? Well, you know hitting off a tee (analyzing your swing) Is different from going into a lab, swinging (analyzing), and having computers tell you whats wrong with your swing and how to correct it. However, that is exactly what you are doing as a poker player by using these programs. Taking the easy, lazy way out. If you don't see that, thats ignorance.


You thought wrong. Tell me, do you think most of todays (you can even include yesterdays) successful poker players have/had these programs to use? If so, how many of them do you think use/used them? Now, out of the remainder of players (who don't use them), how many are still successful without these programs? Of course these are all assumptions (I feel they are logical ones because I'm sure they have a natural ability for the game[as I know I do, but not on their level yet]), but it doesn't seem like their being passed by to me. Neither will I, but if you need something like this to aid your play, I can't say the same will apply to you. Technology can't solve all of our problems...it definitely shouldn't anyway.

Let's see how does this work

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whoa dude get on that sarcasm smiley already.

this thread has put me on tilt and suicide watch so I got a little trigger happy.

peace yo

I still haven't the foggiest what the other guy has but shouldn't you have a str8 draw(needing a Q and a J by the river) as well as a flush draw?

I can't remember seeing the turn(this is for the 10/10 scenario btw).

A little help here, please...

I'm far from pro(hence my table selection), so I'm thinking I don't fold. Opponent hasn't bet yet. I've got a str8 draw(pretty sure) and a flush draw(and my ooh-la-la 10/10). Opponent hasn't bet yet, just called.

So now's when I start praying to whoever listens to the prayers of degenerates, begging for a 10 on the turn. But no! It's a J and helping with my flush draw(cuz I'm a dork like that :P). Oh crap! Is that a str8 flush draw? Other guy probably doesn't have just an ace(though he may have A/A). I pray some more for the guy to "just bet a bit" on account of I just remembered "It's free to check".

He min-bets(It's my fantasy and he's a stupid person who min-bets into a decent sized pot!). I call. Then the Q needed to give me my str8 but not a flush lands on the river. Whew! So I check again. He min bets. I min raise. This continues in a frenzy until I decide to bet 1/2 pot. He goes all-in I call. He did have A/A!!! Gasp!

Now I dance my in-chair happy dance while he shouts "YOU BET WITH THAT!??? THAT'S A HORRIBLE HAND! YOU'RE A TERRIBLE PLAYER! I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CALLED MY BET WITH THAT!!! DONK!"

Now I say aloud "Donk with your money bitch!", but type ss which = so sorry, which translates to "I'm a big fat liar and I still have your money bitch!"

Is there a rule against just making up the rest of the hand the way I want it to happen?

Alternate ending to ^^ he has K/10 giving him the str8 with the better kicker(unless my brain's napping). He wins. I say type nh which translates to "Gawd! I'm an idiot". It could go a whole bunch of ways. But none of them begin with my folding when I can check!

Wow, and you hold your own with sharks and pros? You talk of how the pros don't use programs, how many pros (or even sharks) have you played with in freerolls. I'm sorry but the best freeroll players are still freeroll players.



Right, because over time you just figure out how to compute all those combinations. Of course I could by hand, but I could also numerically compute complex differential equations by hand as well, but yet in the class I'm taking we're using calculators and software that implement the algorithms we learn.

LAZY? It's extra work. What are you doing that I'm not by using a program like this? You don't know the answer to the question, I've gone the extra mile to figure it out. Answer Chuck's problem without using a program if you're not lazy.

Oh, and guess what? When professional baseball players swing, they not only have "computers" videotaping every swing, but they also have individual hitting coaches to help them. They can't handle it on their own? And these hitting coaches do use software (I worked at an indoor facility that had this equipment over the summer) to look at bat angle, timing, etc.



I don't know for sure, but I'd guess a lot do. Obviously I'm not a first name basis with many of them so I don't have private cell numbers to ask or anything.

You don't need this knowledge to be successful. It does help your game. Take it or leave it. It doesn't replace anything either, so it's not being lazy. If I were using this program INSTEAD of doing something maybe I'd be lazy. But I'm using things like this IN ADDITION to EVERYTHING YOU ALREADY DO.

Need? Aid? I don't need it, I've done fine before this was released, but it can't hurt. You keep acting as if it replaces something and thus I will get lazy. I didn't routinely calculate the combination of set hands, flush hands, and use the weighted averages to come up with the best play. So I'm going to be doing everything I did before, only I'll have an additional tool to use. It's extra work, now explain how that's laziness.

Liveone - please tell me have you ever read a poker book? Have you ever read a poker forum to try and improve your game an knowledge? Is improving your game not a poker goal? Do you use a poker tracking software?

If you have answered 'Yes' to one of the above, then why is it so difficult to understand the the OP is to inform us of a software tool that helps us understand certain concepts of mathematical analysis of a hand, just in a different medium to the ones I have suggested above. It is not cheating, it doesn't give me an unfair advantage, as this is available to everyone. It is called improvement, I suggest you try this, or one of the above methods of improvement, then maybe you can move away from freerolls.

Btw, to suggest that poker pros, online/live, do not re-evaluate there play either using software or whatever, is seriously delusional imo.

Seriously this thread has derailed so much, it's a real shame.

In the "opponents groups" I do not have the option to tick overpairs. Anyone know why this is?

It's just not a default group - go to custom groups and you can make it yourself.

CHEAT

just played a freeroll final table with negreanu johnny phil and doyle they decided the stakes were too high played it safe and made a "deal" to split the $60 everyone was satisfied/felt relieved LOL

the tool looks very awesome. might check it out

And I have one word for you....... IDIOT!

From your first post, seems you should be saying "I am a nit".

Not trying to rag on you, I dont know you at all, but reading your first post thats the impression I got real fast.

everyone needs to remember here that zach likes maths,

like seriously.


on the other hand, this tool is sick and yes i will be looking at my cards and using my software cruth to spank you arses!

PS my apoligies to those of you who dont have arses but have lush booties, i will me spanky those also.