Sick sick sick new tool

It's just been publicly released as a beta, and is beeeeautiful. I'm not sure when the real release comes out, but the thing looks good enough to ship as it is imo.

Made by Bryce Paradis, this thing basically calculates how many combinations of certain types of hands their are on certain flops, and puts them in a percentage. So for example:

I raise with AA, villain calls

Flop comes J♣ 2♣ 6♥

I c-bet, villain raises me.

I believe that a) he called pf with the top %10 of hands and b) he'll raise the flop with slowplayed overpairs, top pair, sets, and flush draws.

I punch this in:



...and it tells me exactly what % of his total range those specific hand groups will actually make up...



You can also look at the %s comparatively, ie "what % of his total range will be sets" vs "what % of his total raising range will be sets":



I'm drooling.

oh, and here's an introductory video by Bryce who explains it much better than I can:

YouTube - Stoxpoker Combo

Oh, it's available here: http://stoxpoker.com/Bryce/StoxPokerComboBeta.zip

Do you know how much it will cost when it is released? Also is this something that PS will end up banning down the road? (Doesnt look like it, as you still make the decisions)

Psh, you wimps and your tools. Yes, it looks very effective, and therefore, imo, detrimental to the game (Using Pokerstove and Pokertracker as tools to help your game is quite different obv)

I didn't see a button for 'variance' ...

The more I see of this, the more I'm convinced to never deposit online and stick with my casino play, one table, no computer programs, LIVE action and REAL poker players.

If I want to play a computer, I'll brush up on my chess and take on Big Blue.

wow this looks awesome, always rely on chuck for the new sh** but yeah def look into , although im a mac userrrrrrr

You can already do this with Stove, but it's pretty tedious.

this will trump Stove IMO

Just another tool for people with no mind for poker....imho
The good Lord gave us brains, just for things like this.

Bubba24

Oh, so you can calculate the combinations of sets and compare them mathematically the combos of flushes/overpairs/top pair hands respectively on the fly?

if the chances of a set were a little better it would make a nice peace symbol. Lol-

If you can't do it on your own then imo you shouldn't use it in-game. This is pretty much a circular argument so I won't go any farther but Nevadnick said it best: If I want to play a computer, I'll play chess.

Using Stove and PT to analyze your game while NOT playing is different.

(I feel the same way about PAHUD btw)

Who said they would use it in-game?

This is a hand analysis tool just like pokerstove, sngwiz, etc etc.

Just like with pokerstove, the more you use the tool, the more general situations become second nature, the easier it becomes to play those situations in-game.

Ah, now I understand. I was wondering how you would manage to input anything useful into it or analyse its results in your 20 second online decision time.

Yeah I'm just realizing my initial post made it sound like I was too...

Looks likes like a nice little program. Thanks for posting Chuck, although I really dont use these things too often. Just downloaded Pokerstove finally a month ago and barely use it. As for the argument of using these things, if you can get any edge at all, whether it by using your brain or a program I think you should use it.

the best app is one that asks just 1 question

DID YOU CATCH A PIECE OF THE FLOP ?

If you click yes, it blinks "BET OUT" in big letters

if you click no, it auto mucks your hand

obv look at the avatar it explains the brains, who cant do this lol...^^

Watching the youtube vid of this now and it look amazing. Thanks for sharing!

"Originally Posted by ChuckTs
Oh, so you can calculate the combinations of sets and compare them mathematically the combos of flushes/overpairs/top pair hands respectively on the fly?"

After playing for the last 35 years i'd say yes i can,maybe not like your new fangled program.....but I can hold my own with anyone.

Bubba24

I really don't understand why anyone has a problem with these programs...

Ive downloaded the file, but when I run it I get this...

Check the 2p2 and stoxpoker threads for the program - numerous people are missing plugins/dll files (whatever the hell they are) that need to be installed. The one you're looking for has probably already been linked to.

Uh, its exactly the same.

Thanks for the link Chuck.

He worded his original post wrong making it sound like something to be done on the fly. I was referring to THAT

Got this working now and Ive been messing around with it. Looks great!

Another program for me to not waste my time on 8)

I doubt any real pro wastes their time with these type of programs :P

I think that 99% of pros would use these programs, and 100% of online pros do use them. Why wouldn't they? All these programs do is improve your game.
I really don't understand how people can have a problem with these programs. Your simply losing out (and losing money) if you don't use things like this and pokerstove.

Hmmm, looks good. But to be honest, can't you just pretty much tell the odds/percentages in your head? Sort of common sense. Don't really see the point of knowing that your opponent has exactly 11.4% chance of drawing whatever.

If your playing poker, I think your mind should click on/off so to speak telling you weather or not the odds are in your favor after the bets are made, and the flop has come. Should be able to feel it (not the same as temptation), and bet accordingly.

But, back on topic, the program does look pretty damn good, and it appears to do what its made to do very well. Maybe even too well, and I think it'll lead to reliance.

This is basically a tool for the computer to make decisions for you. What ever happened to the old school way of figuring things out yourself?

We raise pf with TT from the CO and get called only by the player on the button who will call with a range of medium suited connectors, pairs up to TT, KQo type hands, and some medium suited aces.

Flop comes K92 with a flush draw.

We bet, he calls.

Assuming he's calling with top pairs, sets, unimproved pairs down to 3s (as a float/for value, whatever), and floats us with the rest of his range because he knows we c-bet that flop with our whole range.

Now do any of the 'old school' players want to tell me how often we're up against each group of hands without going through 45 minutes of combinatory calculations? Just "feel it out" right?

..?????

Well that's because most pros are also mathematical geniuses who have incredible memory and have made these calculations thousands and thousands of times in their heads and it's second nature to them.

You're probably playing low to micro stakes like the rest of us. Pros would never waste their time with low stakes, so by your logic, why should we? right?

Please stop with the silly comments, it's all getting a little ridiculous. This is a hand analysis tool. It's not something you use in-game to roboticize your actions. The computer doesn't say "beep beep beep, this is a raise %100 of the time". It's an analytical tool meant to aid poker players with their game by improving their knowledge.

If you want to discuss the difference between online play and live play, or how much better pros are than players like us, do it somewhere else.

I think Bryce Paradis qualifies to be a "real pro."

nah

lol at not answering the question. Holding your own with anyone has nothing to do with calculating combinations. And as for people comparing this to online play, this is not used in-game, so can be used for live play just as with online play. You don't understand the program, you don't want to understand the program, and since you can't understand it just seem to think you're too good for it. But that's fine, go ahead and stay where you're at skill-wise while all the other players are getting better. You're good enough and can hold your own with anyone, so you don't need to work on your game at all. It's sort of how all the major league baseball players are good enough and thus never hit off a tee or a pitching machine since they can hit off of anyone.

God, how can you take advice from someone that bad? I mean look at that, his graph actually goes down in a couple spots that just isn't acceptable. Personally I am going to uninstall this program because this guy clearly has no idea what he is talking about.