Should I go all for SitnGo or all ring games ?

#1 2nd March 2010, 11:00 PM

Hi you guys.. I am finally ready to play 10 to 20 dollar Sit n Go's

If your personality is kinda like i described mine , and you have the same goals , What set up do you recommend I try out ?

My personality fit's ring games much better than Sit n Go's .. I like to mix it up and after I am comfortable I really play good even when taking multiple bad beats..

I have been learning from this site and others that Sit N Go's are way more profitable and I see the logic behind it.

If I decide to go the Sit N Go route , Should I play double or nothing before the 9 seater regular Sit N Go ?

Also Is Titan poker So much more easier to beat the sit n go's than at pokerstars?

Thanks for your time ,

Sincerely Tony

#2 2nd March 2010, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nexus6

10 to 20 dollar Sit n Go's

Great money.

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Originally Posted by Nexus6

I have been learning from this site and others that Sit N Go's are way more profitable and I see the logic behind it.

This is 50/50 - You're either a solid cash game player or solid SnG/MTT player, not too much in between and finding a balance can be hard when trying to adjust to each game. Many people on here will disagree that SnG's are more profitable. And would still insist that ring games are the way to go.

There's a lot of pros and cons to both if you are comparing them.

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Originally Posted by Nexus6

If I decide to go the Sit N Go route , Should I play double or nothing before the 9 seater regular Sit N Go ?

DoN's are nit fests and are easy to make money on, but you only win double your buy-in minus rake. it would be much more profitable to play 9 handed normal sng's that pay top 3 because it's a better payout. IMO

#3 3rd March 2010, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean Pilgrim

Great money.

This is 50/50 - You're either a solid cash game player or solid SnG/MTT player, not too much in between and finding a balance can be hard when trying to adjust to each game. Many people on here will disagree that SnG's are more profitable. And would still insist that ring games are the way to go.

There's a lot of pros and cons to both if you are comparing them.

DoN's are nit fests and are easy to make money on, but you only win double your buy-in minus rake. it would be much more profitable to play 9 handed normal sng's that pay top 3 because it's a better payout. IMO

Thanks so much for that ! especially the double or nothing info. I have lots of play money chips should I go spend time playing the 200k play sitngo's for some practice?

#4 3rd March 2010, 12:23 AM

LOL no... that's not going to help you much at all. Doesn't hurt anything though. But I'd like someone else to chime in on the Ring Games vs. SnG's situation.

#5 3rd March 2010, 1:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean Pilgrim

LOL no... that's not going to help you much at all. Doesn't hurt anything though. But I'd like someone else to chime in on the Ring Games vs. SnG's situation.

So I guess I will continue to take my play chips to the appropriate place and change them into the real deal... Instead of wasting them on the 200k play sit n go's ..
and yes please I need more peoples input ...

#6 3rd March 2010, 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nexus6

My personality fit's ring games much better than Sit n Go's ..

Not to overstate the obvious, but if you feel you're better suited to ring games and you've managed to get yourself rolled to the point where you can play $10-$20 SNGs, I'd say stick with the cash games, you're already profitable. However, if your whole goal of playing cash games was to get to the point where you had a big enough bankroll to play $10-$20SNGs, then give it a shot, but remember it's a very different game than cash. Definitely check the stickies and archives here for SNG strategy, there's lots of good ones. Good luck!

#7 3rd March 2010, 5:18 PM

My question is why limit yourself to one or the other? I think the ring games offer a chance offer a chance of higher return, but SnG's limit your liability. Why not play both?

#8 3rd March 2010, 5:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nexus6

Thanks so much for that ! especially the double or nothing info. I have lots of play money chips should I go spend time playing the 200k play sitngo's for some practice?

I disagree with Sean. I have always found the play at the higher PLAY MONEY games equivalent to $10-$20 real money games.

What I would suggest is that you use those big buy-in play money games and study the scared money aspect of the game. What???? you say!

The talent at the big play money games is the same talent you will want for the $20 SnG's, but in the real money games the scared money issue is there. Especially if you are not bankrolled properly.

I would also suggest you concentrate on either Ring or STT (some MTT) but not both!

I still shy away from ring. For me it is a game with unlimited potential for loss. Tourneys as you know, have (generally) a fixed loss. You can never lose more than the buy-in.

#9 3rd March 2010, 6:14 PM

Does anyone think it is disruptive to their game to try and play both? Not necessarily at the same time, but do you feel the more STT you play, the more your cash game play suffers, and vice versa? Or is it just a matter of realizing that it's a different style of play and adjusting accordingly. (Which it sounds as if that's something many players struggle with)

I'm focused on limit right now, trying to slowly move up the stakes but am also trying to play some STT and MTT as well. This thread madee wonder if I'm doing more harm than good doing both game styles.

#10 3rd March 2010, 6:41 PM

I would say stick with cash games, it seems like the ceiling is higher and making a switch would be more difficult than staying at ring games.

#11 3rd March 2010, 7:12 PM

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Originally Posted by McKracken226

Does anyone think it is disruptive to their game to try and play both? Not necessarily at the same time, but do you feel the more STT you play, the more your cash game play suffers, and vice versa? Or is it just a matter of realizing that it's a different style of play and adjusting accordingly. (Which it sounds as if that's something many players struggle with)

I'm focused on limit right now, trying to slowly move up the stakes but am also trying to play some STT and MTT as well. This thread madee wonder if I'm doing more harm than good doing both game styles.

Funny you should mention this. I was going over my stats in PT3 the other day, and I came to the realization that I'm just better/more profitable at cash games than tourneys, which is kind of a bummer because I think MTT are fun. For me, what it comes down to is time spent away from the tables reading, analyzing hands, etc. - I don't think I have the time to split between the two, and I think that if I tried to BOTH games would suffer. So I'm sticking to cash, maybe play a MTT once in a while just for laughs. I'm sure there's people who do well in both, but I think it would be difficult, which is why I suggested to OP to stick with what he's good at.

#12 3rd March 2010, 8:37 PM

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Originally Posted by relpraggy

Funny you should mention this. I was going over my stats in PT3 the other day, and I came to the realization that I'm just better/more profitable at cash games than tourneys, which is kind of a bummer because I think MTT are fun. For me, what it comes down to is time spent away from the tables reading, analyzing hands, etc. - I don't think I have the time to split between the two, and I think that if I tried to BOTH games would suffer. So I'm sticking to cash, maybe play a MTT once in a while just for laughs. I'm sure there's people who do well in both, but I think it would be difficult, which is why I suggested to OP to stick with what he's good at.

Good points. Definitely right about the study away from the table. I'm with you that I find the tournaments a bit more fun. Hence the reason cash game players are referred to grinders I suppose.

#13 3rd March 2010, 9:13 PM

You say your personality suits > 'liking to 'mix it up' & suits ring game.... why switch to SNG play then? A common player type I'll see in SNG's is the guy who plays too many hands... almost like he/she can't resist'mixing it up'. In SNG play there will be many instances where playing the hand has a positive outcome for winning chips in the longrun (+ chip value) but the cash value of your stack when you win the hand compared to the cash value of your stack when you lose the hand makes it an incorrect play (negative expectation). {can be a negative play even if it's a positive chip play). Many times it's not worth risking chips when you already have a decent stack.
This ^ is part of the difference in SNG play vs. cash game play. There are many other 'things' (< for lack of a better word) that are specific to sng play. If you do choose to switch over to SNG play, even if you're rolled for $20's (ie. $1,000+ bankroll), I would still recommend starting off at the $5's (or $6's if you're choosing to go Turbo route). Jumping in at $16's for example (stars) you're going to run into alot of regs. Buyin suggestion also depends upon what poker site you're playing on & at what time of day (there is a difference).
Personally (if I were you)... I would stick to Ring games.
As far as how playmoney relates to realmoney.... I would've answered that the two don't relate at all and would consider playmoney to be a complete waste of time... BUT.. my playmoney experience is limited to maybe a dozen games a few years ago while getting acquainted with online poker software.
.... why fix it if it ain't broke?

#14 4th March 2010, 2:44 AM

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Originally Posted by relpraggy

Not to overstate the obvious, but if you feel you're better suited to ring games and you've managed to get yourself rolled to the point where you can play $10-$20 SNGs, I'd say stick with the cash games, you're already profitable. However, if your whole goal of playing cash games was to get to the point where you had a big enough bankroll to play $10-$20SNGs, then give it a shot, but remember it's a very different game than cash. Definitely check the stickies and archives here for SNG strategy, there's lots of good ones. Good luck!

thanks for your info I am going to check the stickys ..

#15 4th March 2010, 2:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dj11

I disagree with Sean. I have always found the play at the higher PLAY MONEY games equivalent to $10-$20 real money games.

What I would suggest is that you use those big buy-in play money games and study the scared money aspect of the game. What???? you say!

The talent at the big play money games is the same talent you will want for the $20 SnG's, but in the real money games the scared money issue is there. Especially if you are not bankrolled properly.

I would also suggest you concentrate on either Ring or STT (some MTT) but not both!

I still shy away from ring. For me it is a game with unlimited potential for loss. Tourneys as you know, have (generally) a fixed loss. You can never lose more than the buy-in.

You know I was watching the game being played (10 20 sitngos on pokerstars) and I was leaning towards what your saying that the 200k play money was looking allot like what I was seeing at the 10 20..

I think I am gonna follow you on sticking to one or the other . Because if I do play the sit ngos I diffenetly need to concentrate totally on that game .. If I go with ring games . I am allready comfortable and it will just improve my play to stick with ring only ... This is tough i worked hard to get to this point and I am gonna read the stickys to .. Thanks so much and your words are very easy to understand

#16 4th March 2010, 2:58 AM

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Originally Posted by relpraggy

Funny you should mention this. I was going over my stats in PT3 the other day, and I came to the realization that I'm just better/more profitable at cash games than tourneys, which is kind of a bummer because I think MTT are fun. For me, what it comes down to is time spent away from the tables reading, analyzing hands, etc. - I don't think I have the time to split between the two, and I think that if I tried to BOTH games would suffer. So I'm sticking to cash, maybe play a MTT once in a while just for laughs. I'm sure there's people who do well in both, but I think it would be difficult, which is why I suggested to OP to stick with what he's good at.

Thanks man ... My gut feeling says the same , But i all ways admire people who think things through with great detail and come up with the sitngo only loose your entry fee..

#17 4th March 2010, 3:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

You say your personality suits > 'liking to 'mix it up' & suits ring game.... why switch to SNG play then? A common player type I'll see in SNG's is the guy who plays too many hands... almost like he/she can't resist'mixing it up'. In SNG play there will be many instances where playing the hand has a positive outcome for winning chips in the longrun (+ chip value) but the cash value of your stack when you win the hand compared to the cash value of your stack when you lose the hand makes it an incorrect play (negative expectation). {can be a negative play even if it's a positive chip play). Many times it's not worth risking chips when you already have a decent stack.
This ^ is part of the difference in SNG play vs. cash game play. There are many other 'things' (< for lack of a better word) that are specific to sng play. If you do choose to switch over to SNG play, even if you're rolled for $20's (ie. $1,000+ bankroll), I would still recommend starting off at the $5's (or $6's if you're choosing to go Turbo route). Jumping in at $16's for example (stars) you're going to run into alot of regs. Buyin suggestion also depends upon what poker site you're playing on & at what time of day (there is a difference).
Personally (if I were you)... I would stick to Ring games.
As far as how playmoney relates to realmoney.... I would've answered that the two don't relate at all and would consider playmoney to be a complete waste of time... BUT.. my playmoney experience is limited to maybe a dozen games a few years ago while getting acquainted with online poker software.
.... why fix it if it ain't broke?

Oh my goodness .. Different sites and different times .. I probably need to read allot more threads Thanks man for all your info that was great. I think I should maybe take some of my money out of pokerstars and put it in a smaller softer site and play the lower sitngos . then keep playing ring games here on pokerstars and build up a report on the players... This is important to me and I am very happy you guys took your time to help !!

#18 4th March 2010, 3:23 AM

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Originally Posted by McKracken226

Does anyone think it is disruptive to their game to try and play both? Not necessarily at the same time, but do you feel the more STT you play, the more your cash game play suffers, and vice versa? Or is it just a matter of realizing that it's a different style of play and adjusting accordingly. (Which it sounds as if that's something many players struggle with)

I'm focused on limit right now, trying to slowly move up the stakes but am also trying to play some STT and MTT as well. This thread madee wonder if I'm doing more harm than good doing both game styles.

I am mostly an STT player. I might play cash every so often because I might be burned out on STT or MTT's and just need a quick change of pace. Maybe it's just me, but no way can I switch back and from between STT and cash and be successfull at both. The games are just too different.

#19 4th March 2010, 3:45 AM

two different kinds of game.i dont know play both can have good out come or bad.but i am tring both recently. i need more time to have a conclusion.also , i need ideas from pros.

#20 4th March 2010, 3:51 AM

Personally, I would think the SNG's ( 9 to 90) people like on Full Tilt would be more profitable. 9 person SNG's typically pay the top 3 or 33% while the some of the 90 person SNG pay the top 18 people or 20%. I would think that would be more profitable in the long run.

#21 4th March 2010, 10:22 AM

You want soft you say? Bodog... do it!

#22 4th March 2010, 3:17 PM

The higher level play money game do play a lot like micro and low stakes real money games. There are good players at play money tables. You can be good at poker and still not want to risk real money on it.

I do better at SnGs than I do ring games. I have tried both and the stats tell me to play SnG. I am still trying to get a better handle on the ring side of things so that I can play both

#23 4th March 2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kmixer

The higher level play money game do play a lot like micro and low stakes real money games. There are good players at play money tables. You can be good at poker and still not want to risk real money on it.

I do better at SnGs than I do ring games. I have tried both and the stats tell me to play SnG. I am still trying to get a better handle on the ring side of things so that I can play both

i like what you say here .. when i get comfortable with the table i dont feel any pressure about the money instead i enjoy the game but i wish people would talk more and befriend people that have a comfortable bankroll to do so like I allways do in play money .. That would make playing poker so much more fun. but the fact of money is allmighty takes that out of the game Specially in tourneys they are so long..

#24 4th March 2010, 11:14 PM

Personally I find if you can play multi SnG's at a time it ends up being more profitable. I have a hard time with more than 4 cash games. It's an individual preference I guess.

#25 8th March 2010, 6:58 AM

personally i believe that the real money are at cash table. when i first started making money ok pokerstars from freerols i started playing sngs and mtt, with 1$ buy in, i used to kinda break even, first time i tried cash games i lost, tryed again cash and lost again, and again and again, and in sngs and mtt i was making a really small profit, about 6 months of playing sngs and mtt i won about 15$.

tryed once more cash game, the pesky 2nl, tried something new, no limping, more tables at once, play really tight and really aggressive when i have something, found out it works pretty good for me.

btw i want to add that i play 200k playchips buy in, the level is pretty good, players are not that bad, most of them are better than the ones you find at 1$-2$ buyins, i wouldnt go as far as 10$.

#26 8th March 2010, 8:52 AM

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Originally Posted by forsakenone

personally i believe that the real money are at cash table. when i first started making money ok pokerstars from freerols i started playing sngs and mtt, with 1$ buy in, i used to kinda break even, first time i tried cash games i lost, tryed again cash and lost again, and again and again, and in sngs and mtt i was making a really small profit, about 6 months of playing sngs and mtt i won about 15$.

tryed once more cash game, the pesky 2nl, tried something new, no limping, more tables at once, play really tight and really aggressive when i have something, found out it works pretty good for me.

btw i want to add that i play 200k playchips buy in, the level is pretty good, players are not that bad, most of them are better than the ones you find at 1$-2$ buyins, i wouldnt go as far as 10$.

forsakenone ,, This is the kinda reply i was looking for . real life example !!!! Alot of people are to lazy or don't want to give up what they had to work for . But your very care free and sharing.. I want to deeply thank you for sharing your expirience . This really helps me in deciding how to go about it.. Thanks again !
Tony

#27 8th March 2010, 11:08 AM

I'd like someone else to chime in on the Ring Games vs. SnG's situation.

#28 8th March 2010, 2:29 PM

The play money (even high) sng's are absolutely nothing like the $10's and $20's and you will learn absolutely nothing playing them. The only reason to play them is if you know nothing about how the game works and have never played a sng before in your life. Then I would suggest playing just a few to learn how the game goes. It would be horrible for your game to continue to play them after that. Shame on anyone who said the games are anywhere near the same.

What is your bankroll?

#29 9th March 2010, 2:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dakota-xx

The play money (even high) sng's are absolutely nothing like the $10's and $20's and you will learn absolutely nothing playing them. The only reason to play them is if you know nothing about how the game works and have never played a sng before in your life. Then I would suggest playing just a few to learn how the game goes. It would be horrible for your game to continue to play them after that. Shame on anyone who said the games are anywhere near the same.

What is your bankroll?

600.00 as of today

Well the people where specifically talking about 200,000 play money buy in sit n go's .. have you ever seen or played in a 200,000 play money sit n go ? Just wanted to ask so that i am 100 % sure about what your saying ?
Thanks for your time.

#30 9th March 2010, 2:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nexus6

600.00 as of today

Well the people where specifically talking about 200,000 play money buy in sit n go's .. have you ever seen or played in a 200,000 play money sit n go ? Just wanted to ask so that i am 100 % sure about what your saying ?
Thanks for your time.

I am teaching a young person how to play - meaning gaining the basic rules of play etc and he plays play money games. He is 8 years old and can beat them at various levels.

Play money sng's at any level is a waste of your time.

Your bankroll is probably enough to play $11's - nowhere near enough to play $22's. But because you have been playing play money I strongly recommend that you start at the $3.30 or $5.50's.

#31 9th March 2010, 5:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dakota-xx

The play money (even high) sng's are absolutely nothing like the $10's and $20's and you will learn absolutely nothing playing them. The only reason to play them is if you know nothing about how the game works and have never played a sng before in your life. Then I would suggest playing just a few to learn how the game goes. It would be horrible for your game to continue to play them after that. Shame on anyone who said the games are anywhere near the same.

What is your bankroll?

perhaps the member who suggested that the 'high' play money SNG's were very similiar in play to the $10 & $20 sng's really sees them as being very similiar??? (Maybe there's alot they don't or can't see going on in the game?).

"Just wanted to ask so that i am 100 % sure about what your saying ?"

.... pretty sure that the site's admin. isn't going to bullshit you.

I'll second (or tenth it... or whatever)... Play Money = real bad play (there's nothing to really at stake to lose... so what some playchips??). In $10 sngs you will often come across a bunch of very good players on your table (if you happen to be playing on Fulltilt.... play is softer on most other sites). It's not always the case (ie. especially on the weekends, alot of really bad players) but very often there'll be at least 2 or 3 good players, a few pretty good players and a couple of weak or over-aggro-balls (<< monster spewers playing with mindless aggression).

#32 9th March 2010, 5:41 AM

I think that you should go with the SNG's because they are very profitable if you are successful in winning most the tourney you participate in. Ring games are fun but i'm terrible at them because I don't know when to get up and leave when everything is going bad, or leave when I doubled or tripled my BR. Well what ever you decide to do best of luck and hope all goes well.

#33 10th March 2010, 1:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

perhaps the member who suggested that the 'high' play money SNG's were very similiar in play to the $10 & $20 sng's really sees them as being very similiar??? (Maybe there's alot they don't or can't see going on in the game?).

"Just wanted to ask so that i am 100 % sure about what your saying ?"

.... pretty sure that the site's admin. isn't going to bullshit you.

I'll second (or tenth it... or whatever)... Play Money = real bad play (there's nothing to really at stake to lose... so what some playchips??). In $10 sngs you will often come across a bunch of very good players on your table (if you happen to be playing on Fulltilt.... play is softer on most other sites). It's not always the case (ie. especially on the weekends, alot of really bad players) but very often there'll be at least 2 or 3 good players, a few pretty good players and a couple of weak or over-aggro-balls (<< monster spewers playing with mindless aggression).

didn't mean I thought she was bullshitting me . She didn't say if she had played the 200,000 play money sit n go's and i don't care how much knowledge you have , if you haven't expirienced it you don't know..Thats in life in general ... To tell me you think I think she is bullshitting me is hilarious , thanks for the laugh though she gave me very good information , I still haven't got my question if she had played 200,000 play money sit n go's (like when she first started playing online ) kind of a good question to ask eh ?)

Thanks for the heads up about fulltilt !

#34 10th March 2010, 1:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 5TR8 FLUSH

I think that you should go with the SNG's because they are very profitable if you are successful in winning most the tourney you participate in. Ring games are fun but i'm terrible at them because I don't know when to get up and leave when everything is going bad, or leave when I doubled or tripled my BR. Well what ever you decide to do best of luck and hope all goes well.

I did one session of ring today and 5 sit go's ... Gosh i felt to strong in sit n gos .. Like your saying i didn't know where I was at today in ring games lol..

Thanks for your kind words !!!

#35 11th March 2010, 2:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dakota-xx

I am teaching a young person how to play - meaning gaining the basic rules of play etc and he plays play money games. He is 8 years old and can beat them at various levels.

Play money sng's at any level is a waste of your time.

Your bankroll is probably enough to play $11's - nowhere near enough to play $22's. But because you have been playing play money I strongly recommend that you start at the $3.30 or $5.50's.

Thanks for recommending me for the 3.30 or 5.50 .. I just won a 5.50 and I am playing 3.30s ... I fit in good with this for now...

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