shark vs donk

What makes the difference between a donkey(monkey)
and a shark? Have you ever wondered which side of the
coin you might fall on? I have. I think about it a lot as
matter of fact, and i think i've come up with a few good
tips.

First let me say a shark is a fish, and sometimes he/she
can act like a really big fish. Most sharks i know do this
in a rope a dope fashion, usually to catch the unsuspecting
minnow. Hey, a sharks gotta eat.

Second shark does not waver. Unlike the dolphin, it does not
play. It is a predator, plain and simple. Nature and poker's
perfect killing and eating machine. It feels no sorrow at taking
your chips, no remorse at taking your money. It just takes it and
moves on.

Now the donkey, on the other hand, will have to gloat. He will of
necessity have to fall in love with his wonderful self. He will
think to himself, and may even say it out loud, "i am just great at
this game." It is this attitude which causes him to "donk off" his stack on those occasions when he is lucky enough to build one.

He is super aggressive almost to the point of being a maniac. There is
no rhyme or reason to his actions. He is dangerously unpredictable.

An honest assessment of one's own skills, is an absolute imperative to
any full time poker player. If you can't do it, or even if you think
you can, then ask a few friends who play for their honest no holds barred
opinion. And don't get defensive when they give it to you. As has often
been said before, almost everyone has a higher opinion of their skill level
than they should have.

LEARN, ACCEPT, AND LEARN SOME MORE. Because you only need reasonable intelligence to be a winner. Read, and reread everything in the learning poker section of this forum. You too can be a shark or at least a nasty barracuda.

From the desk of MrMuckets.

ahh donks, i love to talk shat to them. Especially when they call by 4x the bb pre-flop raise with a q8 (full 9 player table and was not in the blinds) and luckily flop a set of queens versus my pocket jacks. Then i stupidly pay him off ( gonna fix this leak, trust me) and berate him for the rest of the short time he played. Telling him i was gunning for him, making him think i am on tilt and letting my emotions affect my play. Then to suck him in, with a re-raise battle pre and post-flop with pocket rockets and absolutely demolish his A10....Stupid fish. Don't mess with me.

why would you annoy the donks, the players that make you the most money?

I hope your tongue was firmly planted in your cheek when you wrote this.

Make them think i am on tilt. I do it all the time against donks and they give me all their chips. When people think you are tilting (acting), they will not respect your big raises or all-ins. Works for me so far.

I just read a few of your post and your just to stupid to respond to any further. Classic Donk.

You are currently -22.56 profit on your pokerstars account ala Top Shark Poker Database | Free Sit and Go and Tournament Poker Rankings. You are rated a 10 and i am rated a King. You don't seem to be a very good player, at first glance, so your insults don't bear much weight with me. Thanks anyways

I should prolly stop shat-talking though. Get back to respectful poker etiquette.

The new folks are forgetting this is a community.

Just the other day someone posted some stuff to instigate people and a mod banned them.

It's fine to talk trash with friends for fun. But maybe we're not all friends just yet. It's something to consider.

I would love to eliminate the term "donk" from the poker community.

Ahem.... Yeah. I believe that street runs both ways.

Just not the actual donks, right?.....


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Well thread author attacked me for no reason! If he doesn't agree with my opinions, that is fine, but he should certainly employ more tact and diplomacy when disagreeing with them!

very nice thread mr muckets

In another post you say you are new to poker and then you come in to this post and talk like an old time pro. That's why i said you are not to bright.

I AM NEW TO ONLINE POKER FOR REAL MONEY. Not poker in general. Get it right. I never claimed to be an 'old pro". But i do make a nice profit and i am on my way to being a fairly successful poker player in the long-term. Don't hate

And that's reason to tell him he's too stupid to respond to?

This is a friendly community. You may disagree with what he's saying but that's no reason to name call.

Ok , i may have been out of line. But i wrote a simple little article about my thoughts on the difference between good and bad players and it got hijacked by someone wanting or needing to brag on himself.

No of course not!

I've almost never met an online poker player who was both really good and used the term "donk"

shark vs donk

Looks like the donk's winning.

I think the bad players would still give the chips regardless of if they think you are tilting or not.

Thats why they are of the fish nature. Never do they even consider respecting your raises in the first place....

Well, you were talking poo. Talk poo and invite poo back. It's cool though. Just one thing to remember. New to internet poker but not new to poker still doesn't mean you'll definitely win steadily long term. A lot of famous pros are learning the hard way. It's kind of fun to go and watch them lose more money than I've ever had at any one time.

I'm just saying, if you're new, just give it time. Confidence is good. Too much confidence can leave you crushed.

I'm not wishing you bad luck. Just hoping you'll have some more patience. Just sitting at the wrong table, on the bad night, with the wrong cards that would normally be the right cards, can put you on really bad tilt.

Just a bit of warning, because when ya win early, it really does feel like you can't lose.

n.d, my first two $5 sng's i just played after work, two more 1st place finishes. Check out my stats on Top Shark Poker Database | Free Sit and Go and Tournament Poker Rankings
my username is chainfire98 and i play at pokerstars under sng tab. Look at my beautiful stats! I put the research in, and i prevent tilts.

Will do. Now if you've actually figured out a foolproof way to prevent tilt, please write an article. I know I'm dying to read it.

^^might have sounded snarky but I really do wanna read it.

Done but I used SharkScope since both sites work there and it's easier to read and so forth...

Dude! You've only played 30 tournaments. MrMuckets has played more than 4 times as many tournaments as you have. He has some wins as well as losses, just as you do.

Guess what someone else here has probably played more than 4 times the tournaments MrMuckets has played in.

I'm wasting my "breath". Your beautiful stats are for just 30 tournaments. I suck at math. I completely suck at math. I'm lucky when I'm in the zone and get my percentages right for poker. I'm that sucktacular at math! And even I'm not trusting your beautiful stats if you've only played in 30 SnG's.

That said, I still really wanna read your prevention for tilt. I know one prevention for tilt that's absolutely surefire. It's called, get ready for it...

Not playing poker!

But then, that's not happening anytime soon is it? We like it too much don't we? We dream about hands, watch videos and listen to podcasts, drool with much envy over bracelets and such...

But yeah, don't play poker and you're guaranteed to never tilt.

Just saying.

what will u say when i have 60 hands with similar stats, or 120? I aint going to change what works. I will prove you wrong. The pros limit their 'tilt episodes'. I have the patience and fortitude to limit them myself.

There you said the magic word! They limit their tilt episodes. Limit is key, but there's no way to avoid it completely, and believe it or not you can have a bunch in a row. I'm just saying, it does happen.

I know you won't change what works. If it really does work long term, then more power to ya. I couldn't be happier for you. I'm just saying, I'm going to have to wait for the long term. That's all.

I really do hope you'll prove me wrong. Nothing could make me happier.

Okay I dug around a bit. I have some more info and needless to say, I'm gonna drop it. No point trying to reason with someone who isn't open to it.

Yes chainfire98 you are a god. Whatever was I thinking to doubt you.

ok try like 1k+. Not saying anything about your ability but basing being a long-term winning player on 30 sngs is extremely naive. Sort of like all the pro cash game players who talk about their sustainable 7 PTBB/100 winrate after 5k hands. Sure you could keep it up, or you could even do better long-term (sorry haven't looked at your graph), but 30 sngs is an extremely small sample size. Figure you play ~100 hands average in one of those and that's only 3k hands? Again, try 1k+ sngs if you want a really accurate winrate, but at least have over 30 sngs before you talk shit about how good you are long-term at poker.

I have 33 games under my belt now, give me a few months. No poker pro but i am good at $5 sng's. I will use brm to limit any downswings. And do my best to prevent tilt and show discipline to throw away moderate hands when there is 4 or more people at the table. I don't play garbage, and when i play great starting hands, i usually get paid off. I just have to play 2 or 3 hands (when i get paid off), and then i can sit and watch people get taken out by others. If i get any other monster hands, then i am involved. If not i'll make it to the itm and then turn on the aggression. \I know i have a small sample size. But i don't see any dramatic changes happening. Brm is used to prevent that. My br now can handle more then enough $5 sng losses. I am at $180 now. Will keep on rolling, baby.

Reads like "Cliff Notes"


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uhhh, is that a good thing?

update: last 6 $5 sng 9 man tourney's

came in 1st for 3 of them
2nd place for another
the other two i busted out in 4, or 5th (bad beats qq vs kk etc.)

Well regardless of how good you may be, I hope you realize this is a heater. Even if you're one of the best you won't be coming in 1st place for half of the tourneys you play. That said, looks like you've got a handle, are good enough to win, and if you can keep up the BRM (ie when you do have the inevitable downswing of 10+ non-moneys in a row you don't tilt or go up in limits) then looks like you could get somewhere. Good luck.