a scenario under dispute

#36 03-08-2007, 7:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottFinalTableHamilton

you say he has to call for 2-1 against "random hands."..... i pushed all in over the top of a raise.... how does that suggest that i have a "random hand"

because you are in big blind you could have anything at all, therefore your hand is RANDOM.

#37 03-08-2007, 7:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottFinalTableHamilton

he has to put me on at least a pair, with an outside chance of a total bluff (which happens to be what i was doing)

you had a semi-bluff actully.

, it was fine play by you and fine call by him.

I can run it against a known hand if you like but he still would be correct in calling?

even against 9-T he has 48% equity and you have 51%, that gives you a pair and straight draw and that is best case.

see why its a no brainer?

#38 03-08-2007, 7:53 AM

i dont think you can say i could have had anything... i was only 150 invested

#39 03-08-2007, 7:54 AM

wait you are telling me that had he known i had 9 6 it would still have been correct for him to call?

#40 03-08-2007, 7:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottFinalTableHamilton

wait you are telling me that had he known i had 9 6 it would still have been correct for him to call?

yep.

I cant screen shop it because im not on my desktop but yea against pair and straight draw he is still correct to call.

#41 03-08-2007, 7:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottFinalTableHamilton

i dont think you can say i could have had anything... i was only 150 invested

with your stack size yes we can say it, you had under 10BB you can shove there with wide range.

im glad you started this thread though might help people having troule figuring out their equity in a hand, and welcome to forum.

#42 03-08-2007, 8:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottFinalTableHamilton

me and a friend are arguing about whether the big stack made a good call. he sees it as a no brainer, i see it as fold is the right move

I side with your friend. Look at the situatin objectively. He's got you well covered, flop comes all middle cards. On the flop, he's got middle pair, top kicker, and the nuts draw. Situations reversed, I think if you're honest w/ yourself, you make the call in a heartbeat. I certainly would.

#43 03-08-2007, 8:06 AM

after running some things through a hold em calculator i have decided that you are right. haha

#44 03-08-2007, 8:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottFinalTableHamilton

after running some things through a hold em calculator i have decided that you are right. haha

welcome to forum!

#45 03-08-2007, 8:11 AM

Storm's not really a fish, he just plays one in his sig.

Welcome to CardsChat.

#46 03-08-2007, 11:54 AM

This doesn't even make sense. If SB is in the pot, and you are BB. You said the other guy was OOP, how is that possible.. he has position on both of you no matter if he is UTG or the button. Plus, you show that he checks first which is impossible if SB and BB are in the pot. This is an awful typed post IMO. Thank you and I love to contribute my opinion.

#47 03-08-2007, 4:04 PM

I would have made the call, I have 5200 chips, and I have mid pair with a flush draw, hell if your stupid enough to go all in knowing that you don't have a pair, I'm stupid enough to call you and try knock you out the table, if you win oh well your still not a threat to me, but if I win your ass out and the other chip player is in deep trouble.

And by the way Q 10 off suit is not that good of a hand, its a good hand to draw to, but with that flush draw looking at you, odds are you will be out of the game.

#48 03-08-2007, 5:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pezjb

This doesn't even make sense. If SB is in the pot, and you are BB. You said the other guy was OOP, how is that possible.. he has position on both of you no matter if he is UTG or the button. Plus, you show that he checks first which is impossible if SB and BB are in the pot. This is an awful typed post IMO. Thank you and I love to contribute my opinion.

It just isnt typed real well let me try to explain it a little better, the big stack limps from early position which means he is limping out of position seeing he will have to act 1st each betting round.

now the small blind completes and we are the big blind and check our option, now the big blind checks being 1st to act (which by the way is a bad play) and the small blind bets 150 and we shove.

#49 03-08-2007, 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Madness_does

I would have made the call, I have 5200 chips, and I have mid pair with a flush draw, hell if your stupid enough to go all in knowing that you don't have a pair, I'm stupid enough to call you and try knock you out the table, if you win oh well your still not a threat to me, but if I win your ass out and the other chip player is in deep trouble.

And by the way Q 10 off suit is not that good of a hand, its a good hand to draw to, but with that flush draw looking at you, odds are you will be out of the game.

this is incorrect, the shove with open ended straight draw and 2 overs is correct play. It is same play I make in his spot almost everytime, we have fold equity right now and we need to stay about 10bb and with 2 limpers their range is very wide. And even if we do get called we have a open ended straight draw and 2 overs. We have to make this play.

#50 03-08-2007, 9:29 PM

BTW, I've read thru here a couple of times, one thing I haven't come across yet: Who won he hand?

#51 03-08-2007, 11:11 PM

I have no idea how you can wonder how he can call or shove. He has a pair of 8s with the ace high flush draw. Vs your hand right now, an 8, an ace, or a diamond or hell, any card other than a jack queen 10 or 6 and he wins lol I wouldnt hesitate to fold this, because hes not on a flush draw. The real question is, putting your whole chip stack on a str8 draw? Hes ahead and if he pushed he made the right call.

#52 03-08-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HartAttack3

The real question is, putting your whole chip stack on a str8 draw?

He's severely shortstacked and has two overs and a straight draw?

#53 04-08-2007, 1:17 AM

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Originally Posted by vanquish

He's severely shortstacked and has two overs and a straight draw?

like vanquish points out his shove was correct play with OESD and 2 overs.

#54 04-08-2007, 2:57 AM

Well, I typed my post very hurridly and did neglect to say that both players did make the correct play and yes, I would do the same in both situations. The str8 draw with the overs is a great hand to be drawing with, I was just illustrating the point of he was talking about the guy risking those chips with the pair/flush draw and I was just trying to say that the 2 overs with the str8 is almost the same thing.

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