Rigged: The AA test

I have the beta one on here now. I am not sure where the other guy gets that its obvious (abvious) but the filter doesnt work like it used too... =\

Edit: I figured how to get AA up, but how do I know how many hands were played in that time? I can see that aces came up 10 times, but not how many hands since that day. Lemme keep playing with it...

I'm too lazy to read thru this whole thing..........but..........yesterday I witnessed a royal flush beating 4 of a kind. IN PERSON REAL CARDS. I'm not too much of a math mind and would like to know the odds of this.
Flop K clubs 10 clubs 7 hearts
turn 10 hearts
River J Clubs

Pocket 10's lost too A Q clubs this has got to be almost like winning the Powerball as far a odds go.
AGAIN THIS WAS LIVE AND IN PERSON WITH REAL CARDS!!

If you were playing on a badbeat table, you all would of got paid. LOL

Hmm. I'll look into it.

Ok. If anything, filtering for sessions or hands that have occurred Since a Date is even easier in PT3 than in PT2.
Under the main Cash Games tab select the Filters button at the upper right.
Under the General tab you will see in the upper right an option for Session Dates. The default is All Dates, but if you click on the black arrow a drop down menu appears with 3 additional options, Specific Dates, Since a Date, and Between Dates. of course you want Since a Date just like in PT2. Again enter 4/11/08 and while your there, filter for the specific site you want to add the stats from. If you only play at one site then this is unecessary. Then go to the Hands tab and your done, except for the posting part that is.

Oh! Don't forget to remove your filters when your done.

Supposely the chance of gettin delt AA from the dealer is 0.48% chance. Now i went to a casino n managed to get to the final table n AA popped up 5times!!! So i dont realy jip online sites anymore. I used to think they were rigged untill i saw AA flyin around the final table. I never got it tho so i was bit unhappy hahahaha.

i would just stick to real money tournies. i dont think they can rake like that in a tourney can they?

all i know AA kills me more than i win with it... so far

Poker software, just like any other computer game, can be set at various levels of difficulty or changed to suit various preset parameters, such as Freezeout or Rebuy, etc. You may get used to a certain way the cards fall at a particular site, then the next time you Login there is a software update and the game style has altered. It's all part of the fun.

The most common "fix" in internetpoker is "the largeststackfix", used in freerolls. All pokersite use this to end freerolls faster. Freerolls just cost money 4 pokersites and should be ended as quickly as possible. The "kings" of this fix r Microgaming/Prima. Playing freerolls at one of theire sites is a joke. Of course pokersites "help out" otherwise as well. They do that so that every1 win from time to time, happygoluckypoker is the word. If u play fixed limit, u can count the time some1 win 3 in a row, by being delt good cards. I would say u NEVER see it. And that is because if some1 win 3 in a row, people get susp. and leave and pokersite dont like that. So max 2 in a row is built into the software. So the "fixes" r there to see to it that every1 win a little. The thing in poker is NOT TO LOOSE. We can all play "the monster hands".

Wow you must be an industry insider! I for one I am so glad you have risked your job to let us all know this!

Being dealt aces is great, but how often does one actually win with the rockets is the number I'm more interested in.

wonderful post

Nice to see that this thread is still generating some interest, but I'd like to see some more stat contributions.

Thanks

FD

It depends on the number of people in the hand. Personally 77% for me. I think 85% is the pre-flop % vs. 1 player. Although I'm sure this also depends on the limit your playing at too. AA might be called down to the river and someone hit a crazy straight, runner runner flush, or even 2 pair on the river. Higher limits if the flop doesn't fit most quit not always, but most of the time. On lower limits people like to chase crazy shiznit.

When looking at your stats it doesn't matter if there AA Or KK-all pairs will have the same percent of showing in your hole cards. I gotten 99 the most and 22 the least but they are all within tolerance.

Here's some numbers for me.
Does this seem pretty standard?

total 65533 hands on FullTilt mostly NL .25/.50 and .50/100

AA 336 times won percentage 92.56%
KK 300 times won percentage 84.67%
QQ 292 times won percentage 78.42%
JJ 309 times won percentage 71.84%

Wow finally a meaningfull sample from Full Tilt. And one that puts it's stats back in the realm of respectability. Thank you much sudic.

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I always saw this thread from work, I rarely read the forums at night on my home computer, where my Poker Tracker database is.

My stats for:

PokerStars:
# of hands: 9,978
dealt AA: 46 (expected:45.15)


Full Tilt:
# of hands: 8,982
dealt AA: 42 (expected: 40.64)


PartyPoker:
# of hands: 1,331
dealt AA: 6 (expected: 6.02)


Doyle's Room:
# of hands: 3,024
dealt AA: 18 (expected: 13.68)

Overall I've won with Aces 83% of the time.

looks like this thread is back on track. Thanks for the data Gunslinger. I'll try to update this tonight.

Rigged??? You would be very foolish not to entertain or least be open to the slight possiblity. On the major sites, I believe they would be committing corporate sucide in a more and more competitive market. Smaller sites that are popping up all over now, you are taking a chance if you deposit without research or recomendations. Being based in many different offshore locations you are fool to think, if you do get ripped off you have any recourse to get your money back.

Poker has a long history of scams and cheats and edges. Live or not it is played with money. People will always try to beat the game with edges and cheat you if they get a chance live or not.Do not make the mistake of forgetting POKER history. Ring games or a short handed STG's you join, may be a shark tank with majority of the players colluding with each other to take it down. Its the sites best interest to keep the integrity of game high or they risk losing this virtual ATM to their competiters. Online you are dealing with people who have poker software that gives them your betting patterns ect.... I could go and on.

If you believe its rigged, but you still want to play. Do cry out "Its rigged" when your Aces get cracked, people make one outers, or you may of been outplayed If you are playing small stakes "COME ON" its reeks of such self importance THAT YOU BELIEVE they want your tiny buy in or Bank roll !!! Have the guts to take a tough beat. Evaluate your game or NOT. But dont expect me to have pity for you. I get beat and I deliver beats. My game has improved when I stopped crying about being outdrawn and evaluated my game and learned about my mistakes.If you played to the highest of your ability, you might of been just unlucky. I watch a ring game online for about 20 hands before I join or I look out for similar names in games and take notes. I protect my self at all times and accept the risk that poker has always had that in play. Watch the some great poker movies. Rounders and The cinncnati KID both show the skill of the game and of course its DARK side.

This from small time player who played a little poker in smoky cardrooms in CA playing LO ball and wondering why I keep getting the best draw and then paint after paint or pairs. I was suckered, overmatched,and outnumbered,but didn't stay a sucker I learned from it.

Thank you Gunslinger. Sorry for the delay. It takes a little more effort to start stats on a new room. But, glad to have it. Pretty even stats in all rooms. Once again, your stats pushed my problem child, Full Tilt, a little in the right direction.

"The root of all superstition is that men observe when a thing hits, but not when it misses"

-Francis Bacon

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I have entertained it, then realised I would have to be a simpleton to think it.

I had AA for 60 times on pokerstars now.

Okay, how many hands?

Do we have any stats on how often AA and KK appear at the same time?

Sometimes is seems too often. But I don't have PokerTracker (might just buy it tomorrow) so can't provide any stats.

Hi, I don't have time to read the whole thread but I've noticed that it's quite active, so what's the consensus, is online poker rigged? Did someone prove it with all the charts and stuff? Is it just certain sites or a certain site, or most/all sites? Or are the opinions still divided?

Here's a quick recap. Many people believe that some, or all of the on-line poker sites rig the deck to produce more action hands which in turn produce bigger pots which in turn produce a larger rake. If this were so, there would tend to be anomalys in the expected distribution of starting hands. Just for fun we picked the most glamorous starting hand of all AA and asked our members to contribute stats on how many hands they played and how often they were dealt AA. The ratio of any pair to hands dealt is well known and easy to calculate and is 1/221 or .004525/hand.

To be fair we have separated the data into different poker rooms so that if one site were indeed fiddling with the deck, the other sites stats would not be tainted by the results of the one bad site. If the RNG (random number generators) and shuffling algorithms are indeed producing a legitimately random shuffle, the difference between the ratio of AA to hands dealt and to that magic number of .004525 should get increasingly smaller but never in fact vanish. In the case of PokerStars with by far the largest sample size we are very close to the expected value. In the case of Full Tilt, we are not as close as I would expect with so large a sample size. Does that mean it's rigged. I don't know. You decide for yourself. I will say that although the deviation is greater than I would expect, the number of AA hands one should see is not greater than expected, but less. If bigger hands do in fact produce bigger rakes, then Full Tilt is cheating noone but themselves.

I just had to post on here for anyone who bemoans bad luck.

I am currently playing 5c/10c NL cash. I am double tabling on my laptop.

I have played 276 hands. I have had AA 5 times!! It won all 5 times.

I have had KK 3 times - it lost twice.

I have had AK several times - not sure of win/lose frequency.

Perhaps most amazingly I had

AA twice in 3 hands

I had AA, followed by AK followed by blank followed by KK.

Unbelievable.

Don't you love poker?!

G

and I've just got AA again!!

G

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dude your really on to something here i just dont have a history of my hands but ive been playing poker online for about 5 yrs and beetween paradise,bodog,pokerstars,full tilt and ultimate i cant even come up with a probable number to put on here sry any suggestions


pjm

Not really, but even if you don't use any software to track your sessions, you can still save your HH's. I wouldn't bother trying cull out the AA hands manually, but if you ever do purchase Poker Tracker or Poker Office we'd more than appreciate the contribution. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing some bodog or paradise stats. Thanks for the interest.

Its just the ones that get beat that you hear from not the ones that win with aa i've won and lost with them.

i play exclusively on bodog, and while i dont have specific stats, i do notice aa kk, and qq dealt out in the same hand an abnormal amount of times