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  Poker - Real bot?
 
  #1  
27-12-2007, 7:56 AM
arkadiy
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Real bot?

Now, I am usually not one for this type of stuff but this guy plays MANY, MANY tables and does it 24.7. I see him every day at the tables and always running this many tables. Human?
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  #2  
27-12-2007, 7:57 AM
arkadiy
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Btw it's 24 tables
  #3  
27-12-2007, 12:25 PM
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The ammount of tables shouldn't be scary, but if he plays 24/7, maybe?

Easiest thing if you think he is a bot would be to report him and let the client take a look on him

Still don't get how people can make any big profit playing 24 tables at the same time if they are not botting. What kind of tables did he play at?
  #4  
27-12-2007, 12:31 PM
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I just checked for him now and he wasn't on.
  #5  
27-12-2007, 4:28 PM
arkadiy
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I just checked for him now and he wasn't on.
I don't know, does anyone actually play for a living at these stakes?!

He was on when I started playing around 9:15PM and with a few breaks in between got off at 3:30AM.

He was still playing all 24 when I got off :S

Maybe I just seem to always catch him when he's on :P
  #6  
27-12-2007, 4:35 PM
aliengenius
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Send his name here for investigation.
  #7  
27-12-2007, 5:32 PM
arkadiy
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Send his name here for investigation.
I was more or less just wondering if real bots do exist or of it's just in our imaginations .
  #8  
27-12-2007, 5:51 PM
zachvac
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I don't know, does anyone actually play for a living at these stakes?!

What stakes is he playing? It doesn't say in your post.
  #9  
27-12-2007, 5:55 PM
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doesnt everyone 24 table for 8 hours at a time?
  #10  
27-12-2007, 6:37 PM
KingNothing4
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thats pretty friggin crazy, jus for fun 1 time i took some play chips and i played 10 tables, and i did ok with it, just played good hands, but could not have n e info on n e person, and i ran out of time on a few hands, so running 24 tables sounds like it would be an intense workout of the hand...
  #11  
27-12-2007, 7:13 PM
riffpoker
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Guy must be bionic. I just tried 12 and couldn't keep up or play solid. After about 15 minutes of folding everything but premium hands and going all-in or nothing with them I quit. Maybe he's one of those guys plays 20 bingo cards at a time and used to it. Anyways I'd like to watch him while he's online and see it real time.
  #12  
27-12-2007, 7:28 PM
allndave
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i did some resarch found that he has playd 789 games, 196 cashes,41 final tables, 4 wins ,6 2nds , 4 3rds total winnings was over 23k very impressive
  #13  
27-12-2007, 7:56 PM
pantin007
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whats the big deal
many ppl play 20+ plus tables at a time and are not bots
  #14  
28-12-2007, 12:37 AM
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Just checked and he's on, I wanna see how long he played.

Go search for "1ofakind420" if you want to watch him.
  #15  
28-12-2007, 4:45 AM
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Just checked and he's on, I wanna see how long he played.

Go search for "1ofakind420" if you want to watch him.
4 hours later and he's still running his usual 24 tables ^^
  #16  
28-12-2007, 11:20 PM
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I don't think he is a bot for the fact that I just watched him timeout to a check on two tables. If it were a bot chances are it would automatically check, call, raise, or fold every hand as soon as its their turn.
  #17  
29-12-2007, 12:55 AM
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research shows that most if not all bots play limit holdem not no limit so i would have to say it is highly unlikely that that person is a bot
  #18  
29-12-2007, 1:19 AM
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I don't think he is a bot for the fact that I just watched him timeout to a check on two tables. If it were a bot chances are it would automatically check, call, raise, or fold every hand as soon as its their turn.

You are a bit behind on bot development if you think that!
  #19  
29-12-2007, 2:53 AM
Crummy
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I dunno......with technolgoy and seeing how bots are computer generated and after watching this guy at 5 tables, I don't think he is a bot.
  #20  
29-12-2007, 3:29 AM
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I watched him play on a couple tables for a bit and it doesn't seem like he is a bot. Like someone said eariler sometimes he takes a really long time to play his hand and he just ends up checking, of course his bot could do that on purpose just to throw people off, who knows. But to me it looks like he is just really good at multi tabling, he probably has like 4 monitors going at once.
  #21  
29-12-2007, 4:00 AM
arkadiy
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I watched him play on a couple tables for a bit and it doesn't seem like he is a bot. Like someone said eariler sometimes he takes a really long time to play his hand and he just ends up checking, of course his bot could do that on purpose just to throw people off, who knows. But to me it looks like he is just really good at multi tabling, he probably has like 4 monitors going at once.

Multi table isn't hard, I can do over 24 tables myself. It's the amount of time he spends on it....like 12 hours per day
  #22  
29-12-2007, 4:22 AM
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this is very interesting i dont think i could ever play that many tables for any amount of time....someone should try it and test to see if its humanly possible
  #23  
29-12-2007, 4:41 AM
arkadiy
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this is very interesting i dont think i could ever play that many tables for any amount of time....someone should try it and test to see if its humanly possible
I've done it before, not hard. I can easily run 12 - 24 tables.
  #24  
29-12-2007, 4:46 AM
Crummy
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Here are my conclusions:

- He is playing .10/.25 ( I think thats what he ussually plays) because he does not want to move up in limits???

- He is playing 12+ hours a day to see a profit??? Playing lower limits like this he might have to just to get a profit????

- He has no life and loves poker!! That would explain playing all of the time??

I dunno just my ideas on the whole thing.
  #25  
29-12-2007, 4:46 AM
zachvac
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Multi table isn't hard, I can do over 24 tables myself. It's the amount of time he spends on it....like 12 hours per day
Well I just watched him, just the fact that he would timeout clues me in that he's not a bot. His idea is really smart though. If he knows he can beat the 10c/25c games (saw him playing one, just assuming that's the limit for all the games he plays), knows he can 24-table profitably, why risk going up in stakes? From my Poker Tracker database I'm averaging 79 hands per hour per table. So if he 24-tables he sees 1896 hands per hour. If he can average 5 BB/100 hands (totally reasonable at those limits IMO if you can handle the 26 tables) that's $2.50 every hundred hands and 2.5*18.96 = $47.40/hour

Some quick calculations if he does that for a living and works a standard 40-hour work week and takes 2 weeks of vacation every year: $47.40*(40 hours)*(50 weeks) = $94,800 per year. Not bad for someone who can only mechanically beat 10c/25c. Obviously I don't know if he could do better, and it's possible he's not even making 5 BB/100 hands. But even 2 BB/100 would be almost 38k/year.

Apparently if you can actually handle that many tables, donk-crushing is extremely profitable. No need to be really good or beat higher limit games. Hell I'd do that if I won that kind of money. If he does it consistently it's probably become automatic for him as well. My worst fear in that scenario would be boredom. But hey, if I have a job making around $100k a year, I really don't mind the boredom, and it's never real boredom because there's always something to do (24 somethings in this case ).
  #26  
29-12-2007, 4:57 AM
zachvac
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Here are my conclusions:

- He is playing .10/.25 ( I think thats what he ussually plays) because he does not want to move up in limits???

- He is playing 12+ hours a day to see a profit??? Playing lower limits like this he might have to just to get a profit????

- He has no life and loves poker!! That would explain playing all of the time??

I dunno just my ideas on the whole thing.
Well if he does 12 hours a day, that brings my estimate up to $207,612/year if he played 12 hours all 365 days. Hell he could play half the year and make over $100k. Again, this is all contingent on the fact that he can make 5 BB/100 hands at the 10c/25c tables (I'm currently making about 10 at the 5c/10c tables 6-tabling, so I don't think that's a big assumption). I've considered doing a similar thing only with 25c/50c tables and not even close to that many tables as a side job over the summer, where I've already got one pretty sweet job lined up (baseball umpire, pays $50/game that lasts 2 to 2 and a half hours, but they're all at night on weekdays, so if I can start to show a decent profit poker would definitely be a nice side job). Of course that's just my goal for the summer, I need to build my BR from the $400 it is now playing at 5c/10c tables to $2k profiting at 25c/50c. I don't even know if I'm good enough, but that's my goal. I figure by the same figures, if I can make 5 BB/100 hands and play 79 hands an hour, since 1 BB = $1, that's 5*.79 = $3.95 per table-hour. If I play 6 tables that's $23.70/hour, not bad at all for a second summer job. If I can work it up to 9 tables it turns into $35.50/hour. That's definitely enough to live on.

But back to reality for now I just need to work on my BR. I'd be curious to know the story behind this 24-tabler and if poker is actually his primary source of income.
  #27  
29-12-2007, 5:05 AM
Munchrs
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What zach said!!

If he does this as a living then i totally understand playing for 8 hours a day to turn a nice profit. Probably be better moving up to 0.25/0.50 and 16 tabling??
  #28  
29-12-2007, 3:56 PM
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There is no way this guy makes 5bb/100. He probably has some kind of rake back deal, thus the desire to play a lot of tables. That in itself can be profitable, but I would be willing to bet that he is actually losing money in the games themselves when playing 24 tables at ounce.
  #29  
29-12-2007, 5:33 PM
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Hes probably not a bot... but he could easily run programs that help his play with 24 tables, i would think thats hard/impossible to do yourself manually.

Still i never play more than 3 tables, with no help, its too crazy to do more its just LOLbingo
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