Re-deal or not?

#1 28th November 2010, 2:36 PM

Any advice on what should have happened after a dealer error like this?
In one of our local pub games the small and big blinds had been placed,the dealer dealt everyone their hole cards.
While placing the deck on the table,the dealer accidentally flipped over and exposed the next top 3 cards of the deck.
Nobody had made any bets.
Should this have been classed as a misdeal?
Or could somebody give some advice on what the proper procedure should have been?
I have looked up the "Roberts rules of Poker",but can't seem to find anything covering an exact example of this situation.

#2 28th November 2010, 2:46 PM

I would think there would be 2 choices. Muck and re-deal, or re-shuffle the exposed cards into the remainder of the deck so they are still "live" cards, then continue hand as normal.

If I were playing, I would be fine with either choice. What was the decision made anyway?

Thanks and gl. Yota

#3 28th November 2010, 2:47 PM

I reckon this is real rare...it was probably only a normal guy if it was in a pub and not a pro dealer, so it could maybe happen slighlty more often. I'd probably want a re-deal, but i don't know exactly what the rules are, but surely its a re-deal?

Out of interest, what did happen?

Just seen what yotalover has written and i totally agree with the second option...i think its a good idea.

#4 28th November 2010, 5:43 PM

In a casino, I think the deck would be reshuffled.

#5 28th November 2010, 6:42 PM

MissDeal...errrr...trying to be politaclly correct....lol - yes...misdeal then the deck gets passed over to the next competent player..lol

#6 28th November 2010, 6:55 PM

Thanks for your replies.
Yes, we are just amateur pub players,but a few of us have played games at casinos.
However,none of us have seen this situation happen before.
Not knowing exactly what to do,we decided to use the exposed cards as burn cards.
On our next visit to the casino,I will ask the cardroom manager for his advice.
Thanks again.

#7 28th November 2010, 6:56 PM

It would not be a redeal because the cards in your hand are the cards you got no matter what the deck would be reshuffled just as if the dealer accidently put the flop up with out the betting being completed. Heres the rule in Robert's Rules of Poker:

7. If the flop needs to be redealt for any reason, the boardcards are mixed with the remainder of the deck. The burncard remains on the table. After shuffling, the dealer cuts the deck and deals a new flop without burning a card. [See “Section 16 – Explanations,” discussion #4, for more information on this rule.]
“If the cards are flopped before the betting is complete, or if the flop contains too many cards, the boardcards are mixed with the remainder of the deck. The burncard remains on the table. After shuffling, the dealer cuts the deck and deals a new flop without burning a card.”

#8 28th November 2010, 6:57 PM

At my local casino, under similar circumstances, the remaining cards were just reshuffled. I am sure either can be considered fine alternatives, but since your whole cards are not affected I don't think a redeal is the answer.

#9 28th November 2010, 8:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcruzat

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#10 28th November 2010, 8:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grossberger

It would not be a redeal because the cards in your hand are the cards you got no matter what the deck would be reshuffled just as if the dealer accidently put the flop up with out the betting being completed. Heres the rule in Robert's Rules of Poker:

7. If the flop needs to be redealt for any reason, the boardcards are mixed with the remainder of the deck. The burncard remains on the table. After shuffling, the dealer cuts the deck and deals a new flop without burning a card. [See “Section 16 – Explanations,” discussion #4, for more information on this rule.]
“If the cards are flopped before the betting is complete, or if the flop contains too many cards, the boardcards are mixed with the remainder of the deck. The burncard remains on the table. After shuffling, the dealer cuts the deck and deals a new flop without burning a card.”

Dunno what part o' Ohio u from Gross...but up here dems fightin words....best not come alone to my games......

#11 28th November 2010, 9:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomeBrewer

At my local casino, under similar circumstances, the remaining cards were just reshuffled. I am sure either can be considered fine alternatives, but since your whole cards are not affected I don't think a re-deal is the answer.

As no action had started on this hand,adding the exposed cards to the deck and re-shuffling sounds the most sensible thing to do.
As no action had started,and no board cards had been shown on the table,then I'm not sure if rule 7 would apply.
Thanks again for you answers.

#12 28th November 2010, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillshark

As no action had started on this hand,adding the exposed cards to the deck and re-shuffling sounds the most sensible thing to do.
As no action had started,and no board cards had been shown on the table,then I'm not sure if rule 7 would apply.
Thanks again for you answers.

Its the same thing really weather they were flopped early or just exposed its NOT a misdeal.

Most importantly the dealer should never put the cards down until all board cards have been dealt this way the deck cannot be accidently messed up or exposed.

#13 28th November 2010, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onebourbon

Dunno what part o' Ohio u from Gross...but up here dems fightin words....best not come alone to my games......

No worries 1B it wouldn't be the first time I would have to explain the PROPER rules at a home game and have people disaggree with me only for me to show them the rule on the WSOP site and have them feel foolish. Its like this if your gonna play the game play it right and by the RULES!!!!!!

#14 29th November 2010, 3:17 AM

In all the home games I have played in we have a vote if you would rather just play it out or re-shuffle.

#15 29th November 2010, 3:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grossberger

No worries 1B it wouldn't be the first time I would have to explain the PROPER rules at a home game and have people disaggree with me only for me to show them the rule on the WSOP site and have them feel foolish. Its like this if your gonna play the game play it right and by the RULES!!!!!!

hehe..I guess we have a slightly different opinion as to what is a "home game"

Your home game might consist of 3 or 4 dudes with their wives hanging out pretendin to look pretty but my version is a bit diff.(although extremely entertaining when their wifey's flash us while pretending to throw me off my game )

But no...up here the boyz come loaded with shotguns and a pocket full of cash.

Try splainin the WSOP rules up here and - well.....

POOOF!

#16 2nd December 2010, 12:37 AM

It's a misdeal.

Robert's Rules, Section 3, Misdeals: (emphasis added, only relevant sections reproduced)

1. Once action begins, a misdeal cannot be called. The deal will be played, and no money will be returned to any player whose hand is fouled. In button games, action is considered to occur when two players after the blinds have acted on their hands. In stud games, action is considered to occur when two players after the forced bet have acted on their hands.

2. The following circumstances cause a misdeal, provided attention is called to the error before two players have acted on their hands.

(b) Two or more cards have been exposed by the dealer.

If the action has been described right then nobody has acted on their hand yet and more than two cards have been exposed by the dealer. It's a misdeal, everybody gives their cards back and you start the hand over.

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