Rakeback deal on a running account

As I started playing internet poker regularly last year I didn't even know that rakeback deals were possible at all.

Now, after some experience and knowing a fair share of maths I figure that playing without rakeback is like swimming with an anchor.

I don't want to hear anything about "If you can't beat the rake don't play" stuff - that's not the point.

Has anyone here got experience in getting a rakeback deal on an existing account ?

I just don't want to close my accounts and set up new ones.

Any advice ?

Can't be done afaik.

If you didn't sign up through an affiliate the first time you signed up for the site you might be able to get Rakeback. You'd have to contact a rakeback site and they'd talk to their contact at the site and let you know. If they say they can't you're screwed.

Thats it. A well known rakeback site which allows you to rake the rake you are charged has a form on it for converting accounts to rakeback.

I am told that it is far more likely that you will be able to convert if you didn't originally sign up through an affiliate.

If the form doesn't work.. and its fairly likely that t wont, I would suggest the next step is to contact the site, explain the situation and tell them that you will be closing your account if they do not comply with your wishes. Its in their interest to keep you as a customer.

Beond that the only other possibility is to open an account at a site on the same network (not going to help with the independents, but the others you can do this with).

I've heard of people who sent an e-mail to the customer support of the poker site they use and sometimes they allow you to get rake. The chances of this are pretty low though.

Don't even try with Full Tilt if you signed up through an affiliate. They will say no and it is non-negotiable.

Has anyone here actually obtained rakeback after the fact?

I was in the same situation as you when I first started playing online poker because I too did not know there was such a thing as rakeback. I think the only solution for this is to switch to a new pokersite. That is how I started playing at full tilt -- I originally had a pokerstars account or something but then found rakeback and decided to try a new site. There are plenty of poker sites out there so I don't think you will have a problem finding another site. Good luck.

Just for info-PS dosn't have rakeback.

Send FT an email and if you didnt sign up through affilliate they will put you on a list and at some point you will probably get it. Today was one of the days they called some names. I sent the email about 2 months ago and enty sent one 2 days ago and now we have it so who knows.

Thanks guys so far - I don't think I signed up through an affiliate on any site.
I'll try those steps you recommended - and keep you posted about the outcome.

"Don't even try with Full Tilt if you signed up through an affiliate. They will say no and it is non-negotiable."

I can understand the sites that they dont want to betray their longtime affiliates by just letting people switch...
I will try at FullTilt, as i think that i signed up via their website directly..., see what happens...

I sent them one 3 days ago and they told me I'd go on some list for future considerations of some sort. I guess I wasn't one of the lucky ones today -- haven't heard anything like widowmaker89 and enty. I signed up directly, too, over two years ago but hardly play there now. That would change if they let me sign up with an affiliate that offers rakeback. Anyone playing against those that do have rakeback is at a disadvantage,

Similar to others, I set up an account on FTP years back to play the occasional play money game.

For what it's worth I have simply decided to keep my roll anywhere else besides FTP (stars currently) since this policy is so amazingly uncool.

I can play at pokerstars and not be at any further disadvantage than my "playstyle" already avails me.

I wrote FTP an email stating the same thing.

I got a rakeback deal on FT now - Since I didn't sign up through an ffiliate it was no problem .

I do have to deposite within the next 60 days to make it work though.

(Hehe - I got a neteller accout exactly for that).

Nothing to report about the other sites yet.

You need a $25 deposit. The first deposit can be any ammount over $10 but after that the minimum goes up to $50.

So if you just want to put in the $25 required for rakeback, remember to do it on the first deposit.. otherwise you will be redepositing another $50!!

Good to know - I'll try and scratch em together ....

Well I made the mistake of putting just $10 in as I only wanted the account to play the CC freerolls on.. but decided to get rakeback incase I decided to play there in the future.

So I deposited $10 just to get the account set up. Found out it required $25 and therefore had to deposit another $50.

All in all I ended up depositing $60 into an account that I only wanted for freerolls at the moment!!

when i joined i didn't know about rakeback either, on FT.
i sent them a letter and they said they where working on it and put me on a list. so i guess just wait and see. peace

Ok, it is possible, at least for carbon (probably the whole merge network).

I signed up and they got me moved.

Got 30% (standard) rakeback after just a few mails exachanged with customer support.

- I did not deposit (yet ).
- I did not use an affiliate link as I downloaded carbon in the first place.
- I was allowed to keep my user name and the 39$ I accumulated.

I can only strongly recommend that those who haven't got rakeback yet give it a shot.

Whether it works with other rakeback sites and / or other poker sites I do not know - but I'll keep you posted.

I don't understand why it's so hard with some sites to give the rakeback after account creation while it's so easy before.
And what if the people close their account, wait a few months, and reopen account again ?

i signed up thru pokerlistings to ft but never made a deposit and after i finally deposited for the bonus they told me i wasnt affiliated because i didnt deposit within 30 or 60 days. a few months later i heard about getting rakeback and tried it and a month later ft said it was on...i have been a regular there since ,getting weekly "paychecks"....but the new software doesnt jive with my computer or dial up connection and im out of the loop now.

Very good question by the way,Ive got rakeback on some,and argued my way into some that were pre-existing...I proved the affilliate no longer had a website tho...its best to let the rakeback site ask the poker site for you,on your behalf.
The only other way,is to ask the poker site to completely close your account,and leave it closed for at least a year,then re-join thru a rakeback site,this works on most sites,except the micro-sites I believe.

Affiliates.

The deal with affiliates is that they get people to join a pokersite, in return they get a small percentage of the rake generated by the player (it adds up!!)

After joining you are basically asking the pokersite to go back on its end of the deal and stop paying the affiliate who referred you so that you can switch to an affiliate which provides rakeback.

Yea I tried to get it through full tilt but they don't ever change anything which is bad customer service.......... IF you clearly didnt know then they should let you do it..... oh well

You do have to look at it from their point of view.

You signed up via whatever affiliate.

Their deal with the affiliate is to pay them a % of your rake for refering you.

Now you want to switch... the affiliate isn't going to want to release your account anyway. Why would they? They got you to sign up on the basis that they would earn money for this.

If they release your account, they stop getting paid.

Yeah, i tried to ask the affiliate site if i could go to rake back, and they said only if i do up an account for it. Thought, it is a site that has an IB, tho i know one of the admins, he may end up helping me since UB took out the BDs in 90 days...

this. i dont even know what affiliate I signed up with, but they wont switch me or anything. it kinda sucks

Yes I am and have been now for about a month or so on Fulltilt.
I initially signed up on Fulltilt in 2007 (not through any affiliate). I found out this year ('09) that Fulltilt was accepting some playes for Rakeback on existing accounts.
A couple of emails later and some responses telling me to wait patiently and that my account is being considered... then about 2mos. later I received an email saying I was accepted.

Ok I had not seen the situation like that, and it's clear that allowing rakeback on existing accounts make them lose some money...

I did not read carefully the rules, but is there any way to request the closing of my account, wait a couple of months, and reopen a new one with an affiliate?

I'm not sure.

Closing your account would be the only option. You would need to email support to discuss this.

FWIW most people don't understand how affiliates make their money and signup before they understand what rakeback is.

I was lucky.. My first account was a PS account (which dosnt offer rakeback) I later discovered RB and held off opening any new accounts until I had made my mind up whether I wanted it or not.

I do sympathise as its not made clear to people when they signup that rakeback is an option they may want to consider.

I just wanted to make people aware of why the site would not let you switch (its not personal).

Yeah, you got lucky to register first on PS and then discover RB Stu

Because when I discovered poker, there were many freerolls out there, and I quickly registered on many many rooms to play a lot of tournaments.

When I then started to play decently, and think about playing CG or buy-in SnG, I also discovered RB, and it was a bad news that I cannot get some rakeback on any decent room...

Of course, I could have the option to register on another room, but I'm already registered to the well known ones, and hesitate to play CG on very small rooms.
Maybe I make a mistake because the level of players could be lower on such rooms, but I think that the game is really much fun and attractive on the best sites.

I'm planning to try through a rakeback site to ask them to try to get the rake for me. I remember a RB site that asked me my login, email, etc, to try to get me RB on FTP.
I'm gonna try that and let you know what happens.

Another question, regarding PS, as they offer no rake but FPP (which seems more fair finally).
They explain on their website that we earn 1 FPP for example if the commission reaches 0,40$ on one hand.
But may you tell me approximatively how big must the pot be to do a 0,40$ commission on it?

In other words, by playing quite small stakes on PS, is it possible to get some FPP?

and by the way? what type of affiliate site would be the best to join with if a friend has not set up an account yet?

I would also need some advices about choosing an affiliate for RakeBack.

So, do moderators allow ppl to tell here which is there rakeback affiliate, and are they good experiences with it?

If moderators don't allow rakeback company names here, may people with only Good experience with their affiliate make me a pm for telling me more about it ?

Many thanks

If you have a ftp account through another non rakeback affiliate the answers quite simple, all you need is a girlfriend/wife who has a different bank account to you, sign up through a rakeback site using her details and hey presto!

Woulda thought this would be a problem if you ever won a seat in a live event but as i play cash this isnt an issue for me so when i bother my ass to go back to fulltilt this is the method i'll be using as i already have a non-rakeback account and have been told there's no chance of getting on a rakeback deal