Rabbit Cams are wrong - Random Card Generator

if sites are run on a random card generator then the cards that are rabbited are wrong because the cards are always being shuffled. So if someone did call the card that would of came out on the rabbit more than likely would of not came out with the call. Am i correct?

Yes. But the part of you that wants to see the rabbit isn't the logical part.

no the cards are random before the flop...meaingin that after the card are dealt the cards in the "deck" are stopped like in a real deck, they are not shuffled constantly lol..

Not exactly, as soon as the cards are delt all cards are delt, you just cant see them until they are "played". This is the process that leads to the debate on if there is a program out there that is allowing people to "see" the board before the UTG even makes his/her 1st bet.

why bother with? its just gonna get in your head and make you see bad things like ishtar.

Dont be so quick to dismiss the rabbit cam, it can be a great tool to get fish to bite. If you are picking up blinds after blinds then use the RC to intice some action. When fish see thier 48o would have given themn a straight they are more likley to play the next hand. Or at least thats been my experiance

My understanding was that most sites did not determine the next card until it was time to display it on the screen.
I looked it up and I was wrong. From what I've read, only Full Tilt continually shuffles the deck until the card is needed.

Bottom line is... who cares? It makes absolutely no difference in 99.9999% of all circumstances.

If I fold a big draw and others continue the hand, I usually look away. I dont even want to know after I've folded.

If you call a million times and would have lost money, then it doesn't matter if it happens to hit that one time.

I dont believe the cards are shuffled continuously after the cards are dealed. I belive they do "stop". Im pretty sure actually.

Can't it work the opposite? JQ folds to see a A85. But do you necessarily want these tight players in your hand? Personally, I see no point to it. I DO use it someimes, usually to show folk my hand, ya know, keep myself honest (probably stupid, but only in freerolls, where you get moved to a new table soon anyway usually). Is Carbon the only site that uses this?

[QUOTE[quote]]Can't it work the opposite? JQ folds to see a A85. But do you necessarily want these tight players in your hand? Personally, I see no point to it. I DO use it someimes, usually to show folk my hand, ya know, keep myself honest (probably stupid, but only in freerolls, where you get moved to a new table soon anyway usually). Is Carbon the only site that uses this?





As far as I know The carbon network is the one with the rabit cam... but I could be wrong.
And I it would not make sence as to why the cards would keep suffleing because if it is true how can there ever be such things as "superuser" accounts(I think thats what it is called when you know what cards are comeing.

I agree with cowboy on this one. In my home game people always ask to see the last cards after a hand. It's always the same 2 or 3 people, and they always end up chasing hands later on because they saw that if they stayed in the previous hand they would have straightened or flushed out. It tends to make poor players chase more which i don't mind.

BTW on EVERY site i know the generator does not randomize the cards after the deal. It's like a normal deck for the duration of the hand.

Rabbiting is just a waste of time in either a live game or a online game. It just slows the game. I want to see as many hands as possible.

Depends on the site - as SavagePenguin noted, Full Tilt is supposed to use a continuous shuffle. They don't offer a rabbit cam though, so the point is moot.

As for slowing the game down, that's exactly the reason it's discouraged in live casinos. Being continually asked to rabbit cards is one of the most sure-fire ways to tilt your dealer, BTW. The number of times I've had to fake a smile and say "Whoops - sorry, already mucked the deck"...

Online though, I don't see the problem with it as it doesn't actually take any more time.

as a dealer i agree with this guy... you want to piss your dealer off......have em rabbit ten in a row lol.

no no no, the cards are shuffled after the flop, and the turn non stop over and over and over, non stop shuffling on the merge networks like carbon, so i was told

other sites dont have a rabbit cam, or most dont

So what you're saying is that the meaningless card you see when you rabbit hunt is a different meaningless card than the meaningless card would have been had you been called. That's blasphemy!!! Rabbit cams are rigged!!!!111

Someone said on Pokerstars that if you play with the cusrsor enought you can change your luck is this really possible?

Running the rabbit is the sort of thing a losing mindset wants to do.

I am glad to play with people who like to do it.

ok i have no idea what a rabbit cam is, neevr heard of it before lol.

but from what this sounds like im guessing its where you get the chance to see what the cards "would" have come out as if the hand progressed?

someone please let me know lol!!

Only the winner of the hand can use it, and it only shows the winners hole cards, so use it as you see fit. Information is a powerful weapon in poker, both for and against us

Hello Steve welcome to CC.
Rabit cam is an potion on Carbon poker, its kind of a neet little option that allows you to play out the board if you are folded to before the river

That is exactly right stevie_is_god, but aren't you 'sposed to be omniscient?

People have done this is live games for a long time, but now we can do it online too.

It is the absolute expression of results oriented thinking and makes players second guess their decisions encouraging bad play.

cAPS

If you move your cursor for 40 hands straight YES, you will most likley see a winning hand. However, if you dont move the cursor and see 40 hands in a row, you will have the same chance of seeing a winning hand. Your cursor has no effect on what cards are delt

You were told wrong, once that cards are delt the shuffeling stops

LOL You know there may be a kernel of truth to the incredibly foolish idea "if you move your cursor enough you can change your luck".

Pokerstars say they use input from the users UI like mouse movements to add extra data to the RNG for the sake of entropy. Pretty genius really...

But "changing your luck" is a fairy lovely concept! I envision some jackass as some other monitor jangling his mouse around going "cmon 7!!! fill my gutshot".

Also at pokerstars once the cards are shuffled the RNG is done till the next hand. No amount of voodoomouse will change the outcome of the hand.

Actually, on FT the cards are in a constant state of shuffle and are dealt 'on demand'. I have the tech support e-mail from Tilt that confirms this if you'd like to see it. Their 'reasoning' is that no one can ever tell what card is coming next from a 'set deck' and entropy to the RNG can and WILL change whatever the next card. Not to any 'specific' card, just not the card it would have been as events affect the next card/s.

OTOH, Stars does set the entire 52 card deck before the first card is dealt. Nothing changes the order of delivery. This is in their website security section at:
PokerStars Software Security - Secure Online Poker

I haven't researched the smaller sites, so cannot comment on how they perform their shuffle and deal.

an exception to every rule, but for most sites all cards are "known" as soon as the hole cards are delt

These discussions would make a lot more sense to many online players if they would take the time to research the 'true RNG' process. In short form, yes, mouse clicks 'can' affect the entropy which is fed to the RNG to create the 'seed' for the next card to be pulled from the old deck to the new deck. Stars does preset the entire 52 card deck, just like a live table dealer does. They don't 'burn' a card though, as there is no need since the top card cannot be 'marked' online.

Here's an abstract from a patent site: "A random number generator includes a first oscillator that provides a first oscillatory signal to a processor, and a second oscillator that provides a signal to a frequency multiplier, which in turn provides a second oscillatory signal to the processor. The relative jitter between the two oscillatory signals contains a calculable amount of entropy that is extracted by the processor to produce a sequence of true random numbers."

Too complicated to worry about? Consider that True RNG's are used in government and 'big' business cryptography systems for creating unbreakable code.

Heehee. Unicorns and the tooth fairy!

But I feel sure you mean practically unbreakable codes.

not to be an ass again, but you are inaccurate, the cards are also shuffled after the flop and after the turn and non stop and i have the carbon email from support to proove it.

Poker Stars does not. If anyone really wants to know, check out the site for yourself or e-mail their support.

FWIW, I have it on good authoruty that if you wait 4.345 seconds when it is your turn to bet at Full Tilt, an Ace will appear on the board.

i know nothing of rabbit cams at pokerstars or what they use, i only use what is there to be used. What do you mean about the 4.345 at fulltilt and what if your over or under that by .10 of a second.