Quirky Tournament Thought

Wtf?

lol whatt?

Short bus just left, you guys can probably get the next one!

Cliff notes: Could you win a tourny if you knew the flop, turn, and river for every hand dealt to you, before they came?

Quirky Tournament Thought

Ummmm... yes that was

Potripper any one?
YouTube - Absolute Poker Superuser "POTRIPPER" Cheating (Part 1 of 4)

Is this really a thought or just an attempt at one?

Could you not win? I would think it's certainly possible, but also that the chances are very slim that even if you knew which rag hands to play because you'd win, that you still couldn't pull it off.

lol is this some sort of chaos theory type thing?

+1

Ok, everyone can go back to the rigged threads. It wasn't meant to be serious or anything, but I find it an interesting idea. The mockery is kind of sad.

Maybe. I'm not familiar enough with it to know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

lmao

awesome thread we got going here.

You've never seen Jurassic Park?

hahaha

As from the movie, My Cousin Vinny, " ARE YOU ON DRUGS " LOL

Cya'll

ok, let's give the op some slack here. This is the opposite of the Potripper scandal. Instead of knowing the other player's hole cards, you know what cards are going to come on the board.
I think you would do very well, but there would be instances where your going to get set over set, two pair vs set. You should do very well but you could never be sure you had the best hand.

This is true. However, just tighten up your range a little. Don't hold a lot stock in a small set, you know there will be other spots. you can also limp a lot more, cause you know what's coming. If you're weak or light, keep the post small like you normaly would do. You know your outs are coming as well. IMO you win almost every tourny. However, I didn't put a lot of thought in this. And yes the extreem coolers, you couldn't avoid, but again, I would focus on taking down all the small pots anyway.

I really like MTT poker. But, like you said there's gonna be times when you just simply cannot win. I've had those times where someone seems to be running good and always seems to be one card ahead of you. You're dealt AQ, he's dealt AK. You have pocket King's, he's got pocket Aces. If you knew the cards on the board you still might run into a situation where someone has a better hand then you. But, I don't think you'd be shortstacked most of the time and I'd like my chances.

It would be a massive percentage of the time i rekon. You really never need play anything but the nuts or close to it, if I was given a choice I'd rather see my opponents hole cards than the board, but i dont see how you wouldnt be rich from either.

lol> i actually like that question. Yes I think it's possible to not win but I think you'd go deep if not Heads up every time. The problem would come very late in the tournament where the table is short, the blinds are high and starting cards matter more than the board. Of course by that time you should have such a massive chip lead that you could weather just about any storm but I could see a scenario where you're up against an aggressive player HU with a big enough stack to hurt you that just kills you with all-in raises and you don't have the luxory of waiting for a TPTK or better. So I guess the answer is No you wouldn't win every tournament but if you have any idea at all how to play it should be close.

BTW, something similar did happen in the early days of on-line poker where some MIT genious type grad students cracked the RNG algorythm at Planet Poker. After the flop they had enough Data to calculate the exact holding of all the other players as well as the turn and river to come. Fortunately they were more curious then greeddy and immediately published their results. I'm sure they got an A+ on whatever project it was they were working on.

For the record, I was not saying that you know the board cards but not your opponent's cards. I meant that you know everything. Therefore, how often are your cards just not good enough or lucky enough to be able to win the tournament. Your cards simply won't win enough pots or enough big ones to win the tournament, even if you know everything.

And I appreciate some of the more receptive responses.

Yes I would win every time (if no other player shared the knowledge).

I would murderalize everybody at the table no question. Seeing exactly whats coming you know if you'll hit or not... it takes the gamble out of gambling. Not knowing whats coming is the biggest risk in poker... trying to figure out what your opponent has is difficult but you can put them on a range of hands to work out if you're beat.

It's actually somewhat of an interesting thought. Yes, I guess there would be some amount of times that no matter what you knew, your played hands would always be second best (or worse).

What some aren't taking into account by saying they would always win is that while knowing the cards, if they consistently were not going your way, you might have to constantly fold and ultimately be blinded out. In MTT's there must be 'some' percentage of hands won strictly on luck rather than absolute skill.

I can see what you are saying Nick, but I don't exactly share the sentiment. If you've taken an appropriate ammount of cash to the table with respect to the blinds then you'll no doubt hit one hand that is the winner. I can't see it being possible to play a ring game, or even an MTT, and not hit at least ONE hand that's a winner (and you know when you're going to win or not it seems) and cash out on it.

The OP clearly specified 'tournament', so taking the 'right amount' is irrelevant. You have one amount, the starting stack.

He didn't say to play 'one' winning hand either. He referred to WINNING a tournament, which takes a whole lot more than winning ONE hand. If a 'particular player' never gets dealt that sequence of required winning hands, there is no way s/he could win a tournament, regardless of what amount of pre-bet information is supplied to the player.

Realistically, knowing your opponents cards and the board cards in advance you will win effectively every tournament though.

I also believe that you could win every tournament if you had perfect information, no matter how bad your cards were, and never had a hand at all. The only prerequisite is for you to be intelligent, and use the information to analyze how your opponents act with a given set of cards, and how to bet against them.

I mean, if a decent player is able to have a general idea of your opponents style of play even when you only see them show maybe 5% of their hands, imagine if you could see their hole cards every time? My take is that you could basically be the perfect bluffer, taking down pots by bluffing even when you have absolutely nothing, just because you know that even if your opponents have a hand, you know if you can push them off of it by betting how much, as well as when your 'nothing' is better than their nothing, every step of the way! Unless you really are a superbly astonishing idiot, and don't even have the most pedestrian understanding of any poker concepts at all, you should win the tourney every time.

My two cents, T.