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  Poker - a question about omaha
 
  #1  
31-05-2005, 3:06 PM
DrChaos
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a question about omaha

hi...

i played a omaha tourney and realley did not understood, why iŽd lost the hand.

the facts:

my cards on hand: three sixes and a ten.
cards on table: one ten, one ace and three cards i do not remember anymore.

result: dealer: "DrChaos shows a pair of tens"
Player against showd two Pairs.

i was all-in and was out of the tourney, being on 55th place or so, i gained no money.

Why this wasnŽt a fh?
 

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  #2  
31-05-2005, 3:41 PM
joiboi
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Omaha!

Hi!

sounds likeu did oneof the common mistakes in Omaha!

Omaha is just like Hold Em! ( u can only use two of your pocket cards, not all 4)

So u went allin on a pair of 10:s ( u had one on hand and one on table)
  #3  
31-05-2005, 4:27 PM
Grumbledook
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3 of the same card in your hand in omaha is really bad.

Means you can't make trips with it as like joiboi said you have to use 2 of your cards and 3 from the table. No other combination is allowed.

So thats pretty much an instant fold 66610
  #4  
31-05-2005, 5:13 PM
King Nate
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3 of a kind is a definate fold unless you hold something like A222 in high low.
  #5  
31-05-2005, 6:47 PM
HoldemChamp
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It was one of the first mistakes I made when I played Omaha. Card usage.

In Texas Holdem you can use 0, 1, or 2 of the cards in your hand. Obviously if you use 0 you can only tie with anyone who can't beat the board either.

Omaha is different.

You get 4 cards instead of just 2. Many people think that means you get to use all your cards when the first play. Rude awakening when their full house ends up only being a trips.

When the light bulb comes on that you can only use 2 cards instead of 4 the other rude awakening happens. You get the straight flush with the 7c in you hand and the only dealer says you only have Jack high flush. What's up with that?

The flipside Ohama difference. You HAVE to use 2 Cards from you hand. You can't just use one card.

So let's review

Texas Holdem. Dealt Cards to you 2. Amount of cards in your hand that are playable.

0 Cards
1 Cards
2 Cards

Omaha. Dealt Cards to you 4. Amount of cards used.

Maximum: 2 of 4 in your hand.
Minimum: 2 of 4 in your hand.
  #6  
31-05-2005, 6:52 PM
Grumbledook
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for the record A222 in omaha8 is probably worth folding as well ;]
  #7  
31-05-2005, 7:49 PM
JJedi53
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good explanation Holdem champ. Things to remeber in Omaha

1. you MUST play 2 cards in your hand
2. 3 suited MUST be present to make a flush
3. a pair on the bd MUST be present to make a boat
  #8  
31-05-2005, 10:25 PM
DrChaos
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luck that it was a freeroll
but now i know and will, i think so, not forget.
  #9  
31-05-2005, 10:29 PM
Mithos
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Heh..

Dont worry, i did the same thing when i first was introduced to omaha

in fact, i had 4444 in my hand, and i was like yep, 4 of a kind baby.

i was the laughing stock of the table.
  #10  
01-06-2005, 1:15 AM
danl2005
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I'm new to omaha. and was sondering what was the best starting hand?
  #11  
01-06-2005, 1:43 AM
jeterkid925
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First hand of my Omaha Life, I went all in because I had 3 dimonds and I didnt know the only use 2 cards rule. lol
  #12  
01-06-2005, 1:58 AM
Grumbledook
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AKQJ double suited is a really good starting hand.

If you make a flush its going to be a high one and if you make a straight again it will be high.

Thats very basic though, lot more too it than that.

For another example KQJ10 double suited may well be better as there is more chance you can hit a straight. If a A or 9 comes on the board there are a lot of cards that make your straight.

Any two from 8 K Q J 10, so assuming there was one of those and either a 9 or A thats a lot of outs. You can also runner runner 8 7.

Basically you need your starting hands to be coordinated like I explained above. Hands like that hitting a nice board are very powerful. Watch out for flushes though unless again you are also drawing to one yourself. And if the board pairs someone may well have a full house.

One thing to adjust too over holdem, is that the winning hand in omaha is usually a lot higher. Holdem a pair will win most pots, omaha many more hands look good, but are often drawing dead.
  #13  
01-06-2005, 6:14 AM
Kenzie 96
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Reading these posts makes me feel better my first ever hand in Omaha I flopped a straight flush went all in & was still laughing when I found out I finished 9th. Actually went back & checked the rules after that. Thand god for fools & play money tables.
  #14  
01-06-2005, 6:45 PM
RammerJammer
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I gotta confess, I've been playing Omaha off and on for months now, but I always misplay at least one hand a session by trying to pull out three hole cards instead of just two. (And don't even get me started on Triple Draw!)
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01-06-2005, 7:43 PM
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I have to admit that I really need to get a book on Omaha.

So here is a question. How good is AKAK double suited. I would think that should be the best hand.

But, like i said, I need to get a book. So, I am probably wrong on this.
  #16  
01-06-2005, 8:18 PM
Grumbledook
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its not that good really

AA22 double suited isn't that far behind it.

You will still get the same high flush with AA22 but someone else might make the king high flush, then more likely to pay you off.

Assuming you don't hit trips with either of your cards you can only use one of the pairs, so AA from both. Should you hit both of them AK on the board will possibly give someone a shot at making a broadway straight. People tend to play coordinted high cards a lot.

AAKQ double suited is much better than AAKK and AKQJ double suited is better still.

While they look good, high pairs don't tend to win much in omaha. Its the big drawing hands to the nut flushes and straights that pull in the big pots. The amount of times I have lost with a set in omaha is sickening, people pull out straights, flushes and full houses all hte time.

Admitedly I am not the best omaha player in the world and somewhat of a novice at it still. It just takes some adjustment to play if you are used to holdem.
  #17  
01-06-2005, 9:20 PM
SUPER1
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I'M GLAD I SAW THIS THREAD.I'M NEW TO OMAHA AND DIDN'T KNOW THE CARD USAGE. THX A BINCH
  #18  
01-06-2005, 10:31 PM
Tall Jaye 500
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Omahahaaa

Fisrt, I am not laughing at you. I know alot of first time omaha players get excited about a hand that they dont have. Second, seems like you've gotten enuff feedback here that dont need to give you anymore.

Now as to the question of what is the best hand to start off with? That depends on what style of Omaha you're playin'. Omaha is a game of redraws. Your hand is garbage pre-flop, then becomes a monster, then back to trash, and finally you have a straight with flush draw lookin at you. so what hand do you start with? If you're playin' regular, pocket Aces with another suited card is good. Being double suited is also great. Omaha staring hands are just something you have to play, and play alot. In Omaha 8OB(aka Hi/Lo) the field of starting hands increase because you can play for two pots. The Hi pot and the Lo pot. Depending on how much money I have, I prefer to play Hi/Lo. Why?? I get to see more hands, and my hands have a good chance of payin me off too.
  #19  
01-06-2005, 11:04 PM
no. eskimo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithos
Dont worry, i did the same thing when i first was introduced to omaha

in fact, i had 4444 in my hand, and i was like yep, 4 of a kind baby.

i was the laughing stock of the table.
ouch, been there (not with that good of a hand, but stuff like it)
 



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