Proof: it happens live too

#1 6th October 2008, 4:33 PM

#2 6th October 2008, 10:08 PM

just grossness man. i'm going to make a prediction here in this obscure thread. You, me, bw, and Zach, as most people know are going to play in the ME in 2010. Of course we'll all end up at the final table and there's going to be some dude from ... i dunno ... Micronesia. And he is going to suck out HARD on ... hmm .. lets say ZACH.

And Zach will give the post interview of "HEAO #@$( %$ GEG$@(* T()#T WFE WEF PO@# (@#$)T "

Priceless.

#3 6th October 2008, 11:18 PM

Oh dear trips on flop with weck hand.
That is harsh.

#4 6th October 2008, 11:23 PM

The first hand I'm not sure but what kind of odds was he getting? It was pretty bad though that instead of considering that he was trying to decide as if it was just something you either felt or not. Although his "logic" was kinda right. Although the logic shouldn't be you have to gamble, I think with most tourney payout structures if you have a slightly -ev chip decision you should still take the flip because it's most likely +ev in money.

#5 6th October 2008, 11:25 PM

yeah his first move was crazy...he said "you have to draw out to win the tournament" ok yeah you hit you r flush now play...but he does the exact opposite and "sucksout" lol on the next hand...he just doubled up, he didnt have to gmble

#6 6th October 2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by icemonkey9

just grossness man. i'm going to make a prediction here in this obscure thread. You, me, bw, and Zach, as most people know are going to play in the ME in 2010. Of course we'll all end up at the final table and there's going to be some dude from ... i dunno ... Micronesia. And he is going to suck out HARD on ... hmm .. lets say ZACH.

And Zach will give the post interview of "HEAO #@$( %$ GEG$@(* T()#T WFE WEF PO@# (@#$)T "

Priceless.

I like the prediction, but i prefer zach hitting a sick card against the micronesian

#7 6th October 2008, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icemonkey9

just grossness man. i'm going to make a prediction here in this obscure thread. You, me, bw, and Zach, as most people know are going to play in the ME in 2010. Of course we'll all end up at the final table and there's going to be some dude from ... i dunno ... Micronesia. And he is going to suck out HARD on ... hmm .. lets say ZACH.

And Zach will give the post interview of "HEAO #@$( %$ GEG$@(* T()#T WFE WEF PO@# (@#$)T "

Priceless.

Actually I'm pretty sure I'd just be speechless if that happened to me.

#8 6th October 2008, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KingCurtis

I like the prediction, but i prefer zach hitting a sick card against the micronesian

Here's the situation. I have 34h and the board comes 2h5hKh, other guy stacks AT with the Ah. Turn comes Qh, river comes 6h .

#9 6th October 2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by zachvac

Here's the situation. I have 34h and the board comes 2h5hKh, other guy stacks AT with the Ah. Turn comes Qh, river comes 6h .

perfect, now all we need is ice to call the wsop and get that hand nic and rigged for us

#10 6th October 2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by zachvac

The first hand I'm not sure but what kind of odds was he getting?

He had to call 75.6K to win a pot of 215.3K or ~2.8:1 odds.

I like Kido Pham's look on the game. The whole 'willing to die in order live attitude'.

#11 6th October 2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by philthy

He had to call 75.6K to win a pot of 215.3K or ~2.8:1 odds.

Then he had odds to call. ESPN says 27%, 2.8:1 is 1/3.8 = 26.3% or better he'd need to call. Obviously the problem is sometimes it's a higher draw or a set so he doesn't have odds against his range most likely but he had odds if the hands were face up.

#12 7th October 2008, 6:41 AM

You guys are forgetting that Scotty folded Ah 5h and the other guy had the Qh - there is only 6 hearts left in the deck - his odds were worse than he thought.

#13 7th October 2008, 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPRUSHSTPIERRE

Jack Ten against KK is just sick

It was probably the poker gods getting back at Hachem for being such a jerk before the cards came out.

#14 7th October 2008, 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dufferdevon

You guys are forgetting that Scotty folded Ah 5h and the other guy had the Qh - there is only 6 hearts left in the deck - his odds were worse than he thought.

But Pham didn't know this. He figured his odds for 9 remaining hearts, not 6.

#15 7th October 2008, 5:38 PM

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Originally Posted by philthy

But Pham didn't know this. He figured his odds for 9 remaining hearts, not 6.

lol no he figured "I have to gamboool to win, I call". Also if he was really thinking it through he'd realize there are sets/2-pairs in his range that take away odds to call.

#16 7th October 2008, 5:44 PM

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Originally Posted by zachvac

lol no he figured "I have to gamboool to win, I call". Also if he was really thinking it through he'd realize there are sets/2-pairs in his range that take away odds to call.

ESPN takes into account the fact that QxQh has redraws & that 2 hearts are missing when they compute the odds of winning.

#17 10th October 2008, 8:04 PM

so sick...

#18 11th October 2008, 5:07 PM

Kido's plays are always sick, I've seen him pull so many bluffs and questionable plays it's ridiculous. But I have heard a number of pro's say that to win a big tourney there is an element of luck involved, if you just wait for the nuts all the time you'll be dead in the water. Thats why I hate all-in moves, cause no matter what you have there's always a chance theres something better...except a royal that is, and everyones not gonna be playing just top cards.

#19 20th November 2008, 3:03 AM

Live play is different especially "deep stacked". You gotta expect some of those plays once in awhile. Maybe not see that J10 Allin as much lol

#20 8th January 2009, 9:03 PM

that is sick......how did he make the final table again?

#21 8th January 2009, 10:20 PM

Why is the no criticism for just calling with qq, terrible move.

#22 9th January 2009, 12:33 AM

This is why I rarely play live, if a suckout like that happened against an idiot like him I'd have wrestled him to the ground and security would've had to drag me out of there.

#23 16th February 2009, 4:26 AM

it does happen live but hey
that's one hand!!
from how many played lol

#24 16th February 2009, 4:42 PM

Cmon now everyone...If this happened to any of us , we'd been screaming donk. It was, at best, a donk move to push all in with J-10 after a huge raise. But he hit it so that makes him a pro...

#25 16th February 2009, 8:03 PM

iam a calm dude lately i swear. but if that happened to me id probably wait for that guy outside and beat his brains in lmao imo

#26 4th March 2009, 2:03 AM

I remember seeing the first one on TV and thinking "come on man, not cool" but the more I think about it, they both new he had a draw. They both new that QQs were strong post flop. He had the guts and the feel to make that call, and he hit his flush. He deserves the win and the other guy shouldn't care that it was a 6 high flush. He got called by a player who knew the odds, thought the time was right and was able to make some $$

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