Pokerstars New Update: Hole Cards Shown

Guys!
did you noticed that you can now see the players hole cards when you use the replay button? its near the history button on the table.

Is this a good thing or a bad thing??
I think this is not good because players can see how each other play
their hands. Other poker software use this, i know, but they are paying
to get this info. and now pokerstars are showing it for free. too bad for
those who payed for one.

Let me know what you think...

You've always been able to see others' hole cards. The replayer only makes it easier to read - the hand history file was there all along.

only if it went to showdown i might add

that is right. like fulltilt, hole cards are shown only if they went on showdown, but in pokerstars' update they also show it even if you mucked your hands...

Just replayed a hand and the only hole cards that were shown were the ones that went to showdon.
What I really like about this feature is you can look back at hands and make more detailed notes on players within the replay window.

No, it doesn't. I just deposited to Stars to see if what you said is correct, and it isn't.

You could always see the other players' hole cards. My HUD displays them after every showdown, and they're also in the HH.

Obviously, it's great to see your opponents' hole cards because it gives you valuable information. If you're a good player, the advantage of seeing other players' hole cards far outweighs the disadvantage of your own hole cards being visible.

How dare they show my cards if I choose not to. Man thats typical with PS though. I am not a big fan of the site anyway
Peace

Failure to understand basic poker rule stating that all players are entitled to see all cards that go to showdown.

lol Full Tilt does it too, and this isn't some new feature either. The new feature is the replayer, the cards were visible before.

Whats so bad about doing something they've been doing all along? The only difference is this is more convenient for the players.

Oops - better quit playing at Fulltilt too then.

The only thing that sucks about this is that it takes away the hilariousness that comes from players, such as a few of our friends here, that haven't figured out what happens if you click the little number in the top left corner of the screen, and think it's safe to lie about what they had.

"u got lucky there."

(says the guy with 8 high who missed his straight vs. my rivered two-pair)

"oh?"

(says I, innocently)

"had KK"

Someone else at the table then proceeds to tell him that no, you had 8c6h, at which point he'll start calling people cheaters and swiftly leave the table.

Oh, good times.

(Why do they always claim KK?)

From a few of the replies to this thread, I'd say Stars adding the replayer is a BAD thing for a lot of you. Seems people didn't understand what was available before just without the pretty pictures.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure all it is is a visual representation of what's been in the text-only hand history all along.

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You DID get to see what people mucked.

Look in the text hand history, and look at the bottom. If someone mucked their hand it will say [whoever] mucked [xx xx] or something like that.

I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A NEW FEATURE. THE FACT THAT IT'S VISUAL IS NEW BUT THE MUCKED SHOWDOWN CARDS WERE ALWAYS AVAILABLE IF YOU HAD JUST GONE INTO THE HAND HISTORY OR ELSE IF YOU HAD A HUD THAT DISPLAYED THEM I'M TIRED OF YELLING NOW SO I'LL STOP.

This. ^^^^^

Any player or the dealer can request to see any mucked cards at showdown for any reason. This is a basic rule of poker, pre-online age, that was instituted to prevent cheating in the live game. But it is deemed very bad etiquette in the live game to invoke it. But now, online sites have it automatically invoked to show that there is no cheating at their site.

Folks who plan on playing live poker someday had better get a good handle on ALL the basic rules of poker before they are up to their eyeballs in it at their local cardroom or at a vacation casino.

You have always been able to see this information in the hand history.

I voted bad, because it makes it easier for people to see them.

Anything that makes it easier on people I don't like. Like the bet pot button, I hope pokerstars never puts that on the UI.

Are u kiddin? the bet pot button is awesome, please add it, it allows donks to bet pot when they want to make a nice bet into my nuts.

To the orginal thread though, lol at people that think you couldnt see mucked SD hands before. This "new feature" lol just lets your average donk see the mucked cards easier, much easier.

I had no idea that you could look and see all hole cards....and I have to say...I DON'T LIKE IT AT ALL! Can u imagine playing a cash game and having the dealer show all players cards after completion of a hand?

weeeee, it's at the play tables too. Although, when I decide to come back to real games and donk more $$ away, it will be a nice feature. However, I'd rather just have a HUD replay similar to PT which simply displays amount won/lost and players hands. Being that I was just in the hand, I usually remember how it played out. Now, if you could enter a hand # somewhere, maybe in the lobby, and replay any hand, that might be nice.

It only sows the showdown hands, and most card room will allow you to see this upon request as well. Online they don't have the time to handle 100M requests for hole cards after showdown, so why not just make it standard. If we all have it... we all have it.

i think the feature is a bad thing, its a reason you can muck your hands that doesent win a showdown and thats because you dont want to give your opponent information on how u play the different hands. why do we have a rule that says you can muck your hand, if the opponent still can see what you had?? its ridiculous!

It's not just for your opponent. It's for anyone at the table and (I believe) it's in case someone suspects collusion/cheating is going on. As stated, it started live and has been used online as well, so don't blame online sites as they are just using a rule that's been around before computers were probably thought of.

BTW, where's the neutral option? It's an OK feature, but as all stated, it was there before so I'm ok with/without it.

I guess there are some people that just are very unobservant or don't like to read....

as many have stated, you can and always have been able to see mucked hands as long as you were one of the players dealt into the hand.

I like the new feature because it replays the actual betting and lets you see who did what in the hand, much quicker than trying to read through the text and figure out the pot, position, etc....

Yeah. Can you imagine it being a rule of poker for ages that can be done upon request at anytime, live or online? Imagine that! An actual rule! The truth is truly stranger than fiction.

For everyone not familiar with the basic rules of poker, here they are:

Poker Rules - Robert's Rules of Poker Version 10

(The muck rules are in Chapter 3 - "General Rules of Poker" in the "Dead Hands" section. )

Why would this be a bad thing? The old HH shows what villian had, even if they mucked the hand, this does the same thing. +rep for Stars

And to re-repeat what's already been said, you've always been able to see the mucked cards at Stars. All you had to do was look in the hand history.

Ummm, playing live cash you usually do see the players hands at showdown.... if they hope to stake claim to the pot.

I may be wrong about this, but I believe that on Full Tilt they won't show your hole cards if you have auto muck chosen. I don't have auto muck turned on, so I'm not absolutely positive.

No, they still show your hole cards.

wow, this is a really nice upgrade. The trpe in the older pop up box was so small it was difficult to read. They also give you the ability to replay the hand which is also cool. Nice job pokerstars.

This thread is hilarious.



You have ALWAYS been able to see any hole cards that made it to showdown, regardless of if they were mucked or not. They are right there in the hand histories and most tracking software/huds show them on the table automatically. Pokerstars, fulltilt..most other sites.


All this has been said already but guess what? If you go walk into a live casino, you get to showdown, you show your hand and your oppenent says "you win" and mucks. you are legally allowed to ask the dealer to show his hole cards. This isn't "cheating", this isn't unusual, this isn't "new" and it's the same way live!


I actually hate this update cause I enjoyed having all these ignorant players (who usually suck) not realizing that such valuable information is and always has been right there for the taking. Plus it's fun telling the donkey who tried to bluff you out with 5 high what he had when he claims "i got lucky" and "beat his KK" (why is it always KK?)

Of course..most people who were too ignorant to realize that info is there are probably too ignorant to make much use of it in a more obvious form, so probably won't matter.

I agree with everything you said except the bolded statement above. It's actually VERY unusual for someone to ask to see mucked SD cards at a live game. It's certainly well within their rights and the rules do allow it, but it is considered bad etiquette to do so.