Poker Room Bots

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  #1
17th July 2009, 10:20 PM
MrFold
 
Online Poker at: Cool Hand
Game: Hi-Lo
Poker Room Bots

Do any poker sites use robots to take part in tournaments or cash tables?

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  #2
17th July 2009, 10:21 PM
pantin007
 
no
  #3
18th July 2009, 2:08 AM
jdeliverer
 
Online Poker at: FTP
Game: NLHE now
for the major sites, see Poker Room Bots
  #4
18th July 2009, 3:08 PM
maolitas
 
Poker at: PokerStars
Game: holdem
I hope that no-one does it... !!
  #5
19th July 2009, 2:04 AM
Infamous1020
 
Online Poker at: Stars/FTP
Game: Hold'em/PLO
nopeeee.


we could beat bots anyways
  #6
19th July 2009, 3:32 AM
Sardonix
 
Poker at: N/A
Game: NL HOLDEM
I think Ultimatebet has in the best but since the scandel and stuff they took them off. bots used to run rampant all over Ultimatebet for a while man. There was like 5 bots at everytable, at Ultimatebet at one point. it was real bad. They were players using them though i think, but i heard of bots up at higher stakes that Ultimatebet was using to make more money. High roller bots lol, who knows if they were using them but really it wouldnt surprise me. I have come to hate Ultimatebet and only play private tournaments there. If i ever won any money at Ultimatebet as soon as it got to enough to cash out id cash out and put it else where or buy a little somethin somethin.
  #7
19th July 2009, 12:05 PM
MrFold
 
Online Poker at: Cool Hand
Game: Hi-Lo
re: Poker Room Bots

Any other sites that use bots to play against normal players at their tables?
  #8
19th July 2009, 1:29 PM
slicky111
 
Poker at: Absolute Pok
Game: NL Holdem
I think Absolute Poker, UlimateBet, and Full-Tilt using them. But I don't have any proof.
  #9
19th July 2009, 2:37 PM
evildoesit2003
 
Online Poker at: fultilt
Game: holdem
This is first I heard of bots playing but I do believe they have people playing for their sites but dont know about the bot aspect of it.
  #10
19th July 2009, 3:25 PM
Infamous1020
 
Poker at: Stars/FTP
Game: Hold'em/PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by slicky111
I think Absolute Poker, UlimateBet, and Full-Tilt using them. But I don't have any proof.
lol i hiiiiighhhlyy doubt this
  #11
27th July 2009, 8:42 AM
Jared
 
Online Poker at: Abslute
Game: Razz
Perhaps we are thinking of poker PROPS, players hired by sites to play (with their own money) at tables that need numbers.

Rates of pay are either rake-based or an hourly wage, both averaging about $12-20 an hour depending upon your skill.
  #12
27th July 2009, 6:40 PM
slycbnew
 
Game: Yes
I don't believe there have been any credible allegations made by anyone reputable/knowledgable that sites have been or are running bots. There are allegations that some "players" are bots, but it's not the sites that are alleged to be running them, it's users.

Google poker bots if you're interested, there was also a thread somewhere here about bots a couple of months ago.

Cliff notes on the recent thread and publicly available information (my interpretation) - bots appear to be real, appear to be able to win at low stakes limit holdem, are not particularly hard to beat if you're a reasonably good player, and there isn't a bot that can beat no limit holdem beyond low level microstakes (programming bluffing and other "leap of faith" moves in no limit holdem is difficult).

Not endorsing the cliff notes version, just stating what I've absorbed.
  #13
27th July 2009, 6:55 PM
Grindit9
 
Bring me some bots, they are far more predictable then real players. So i prefer to play bots actually.
  #14
27th July 2009, 10:26 PM
baghead
 
Poker at: pkr
Game: nlhe
re: Poker Room Bots

are poker bots legal? are they a viable way of builing a bank role?

i have done some research into poker bots and i understand over a long period they will make money only on deposit bonuses and rake back one other question is how many of these bots are on line in anyone site i have heard through forums that sites like full tilt there is 4-5 bots on any 10 seat low stakes table esspeacially limit tables as this is were the bot excells aparently.
big questions i know!
  #15
27th July 2009, 11:52 PM
Baby Jesus
 
Online Poker at: Stars
Game: NLH
Yes they do,I'm one.They also made me to post stupid messages when I'm not robbing people at micro stakes."WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME"
  #16
28th July 2009, 12:09 AM
nevadanick
 
Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: stud
Quote:
Originally Posted by baghead
are poker bots legal? are they a viable way of builing a bank role?

i have done some research into poker bots and i understand over a long period they will make money only on deposit bonuses and rake back one other question is how many of these bots are on line in anyone site i have heard through forums that sites like full tilt there is 4-5 bots on any 10 seat low stakes table esspeacially limit tables as this is were the bot excells aparently.
big questions i know!
I am an advanced artificial intelligence bot. I can assure you that you will not win playing against me. Nothing can possibly go wrong... go wrong... go wrong ..... go wrong.........
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Larger sites do a lot to detect bot usage and you put your whole account in jeopardy of being closed and funds confiscated. This is from Pokerstars website:

Q. Can you give some examples of tools and services which are prohibited?

A. The following are examples of tools and services which are prohibited at all times:

1. Advanced Poker Calculator
2. CardAnalyzer
3. Gambot
4. Hand HQ
5. HHCollector
6. hhSmithey
7. Holdem Hawk
8. Holdem Pirate
9. Holdem Inspector a.k.a. Online Holdem Inspector
10. Holdem Spy
11. Hold’em Watcher
12. ICM-Bot
13. iHH Harvester
14. Magic Holdem
15. Mandraker
16. MyPokerIntel
17. NoLimitFoldem
18. Online Omaha High Inspector
19. Open Holdem Bot
20. OPI Wizard
21. Poker Android
22. Poker Bot+
23. Poker Bloodhound
24. Poker Crusher
25. Poker Edge
26. Poker Inspector a.k.a. Online Poker Inspector
27. Poker Mate
28. Poker Prophecy
29. POKERobot
30. Poker Sherlock
31. Poker Table Manager
32. Poker Usher
33. Preflop Autofolder
34. Preflop Poker Bot
35. Seeker
36. SharkMate
37. Sit n' Go Brain
38. Sixth Sense
39. SmartCollector a.k.a. Mixed Harvesters
40. SpadeEye
41. Stars Hand History (SHH)
42. StarSpy
43. StatsForPoker
44. Texas Auto Fold
45. WinHoldem
This list was last updated June 20th 2009

There are some tools and services which have legitimate uses for analysing your game, but which are not appropriate for use during play. For example, ICM (Independent Chip Model) and Nash Equilibrium tools may be used for post-game analysis and for studying hands which you have previously played. Also, there are some web-based results databases, and its fine to use these to look at your own results. However, you may not use such a tool while the PokerStars software is open.
  #17
29th July 2009, 2:54 AM
hayes5150
 
Online Poker at: bodog
Game: Holdem
No as awful as some of the players are and you would think it was a computer bot its not....sometimes very hard to believe when some donkey calls an all in with 2 7 off and hits a full house on the flop you think...yeah ok somehow he knew that was coming. and you always get some other donkey to say nh. No it wasnt!!!
  #18
29th July 2009, 4:33 AM
slycbnew
 
Game: Yes
Quote:
Originally Posted by hayes5150
No as awful as some of the players are and you would think it was a computer bot its not....sometimes very hard to believe when some donkey calls an all in with 2 7 off and hits a full house on the flop you think...yeah ok somehow he knew that was coming. and you always get some other donkey to say nh. No it wasnt!!!
Just to be clear - nobody alleges that bots know what cards are coming or that hole cards are exposed to the bots. Bots are programs that evaluate hole cards, the board, and determine an action (bet, call, raise, fold) based on an algorithm. This is easier to program for limit than no limit, since the bet sizing in limit is fixed. Sites freeze accounts that are proven to be bots.
  #19
30th July 2009, 11:47 PM
tubbs65
 
Online Poker at: titan
Game: holdem
bots are pretty easy to spot, I always check usernames when I join a table to see how many tables they are playing at one time. last night bot was playing 17 tables at once
  #20
31st July 2009, 12:57 AM
MrFold
 
Poker at: Cool Hand
Game: Hi-Lo
So is everyone confident that poker rooms don't put bots on tables?
  #21
31st July 2009, 1:04 AM
Jared
 
Online Poker at: Abslute
Game: Razz
re: Poker Room Bots

I am comfortable that the established sites don't, although for rising rooms it would be cheaper than using props.
  #22
31st July 2009, 1:52 AM
begley01
 
Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by tubbs65
bots are pretty easy to spot, I always check usernames when I join a table to see how many tables they are playing at one time. last night bot was playing 17 tables at once
I see these people at well, but I don't think they are bots. They are just playing a ton of tables at once and they play very robotic. Some only play hands like 10's+ and A-Q A-K. I know they aren't bots because I have stacked some of them with 4-5 off suit and been called a donkey .
  #23
4th August 2009, 7:35 PM
Grindit9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tubbs65
bots are pretty easy to spot, I always check usernames when I join a table to see how many tables they are playing at one time. last night bot was playing 17 tables at once
Dude, there are loads of players that play 17 tables and even more.....
  #24
4th August 2009, 8:58 PM
NewLucker
 
Poker at: PartyPoker
Game: NL holdem
I saw once, the opponent go all in on any two cards of 5 consecutive times and won, I think it there was a bot!

Originally Posted by tubbs65
bots are pretty easy to spot, I always check usernames when I join a table to see how many tables they are playing at one time. last night bot was playing 17 tables at once

Nice note!
  #25
5th August 2009, 11:58 PM
Dogfish44
 
Online Poker at: Full-Tilt
Game: Hold Em
I sincerely hope so!!!

I've played poker on my mobile (cellphone) and taken $1K to $45K ... I've played on the Wii and taken $1K to over $500K ...

I'm now trying to build a bankroll online, if bots are being used on poker sites, then I look forward to playing them... they're easy to beat and predictable once you crack the pattern of betting that suits.

Some people play calm, calculated poker only calling the premium hands, I think you may have encountered one of those players. If Full-tilt advertises itself as "the place to play with the pro's" why would they need bots?
  #26
6th August 2009, 7:05 PM
Grindit9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogfish44
I've played poker on my mobile (cellphone) and taken $1K to $45K ... I've played on the Wii and taken $1K to over $500K ...
I sincerly hope this is not serious?
  #27
6th August 2009, 10:23 PM
Dogfish44
 
Online Poker at: Full-Tilt
Game: Hold Em
I hate to admit it but, It's all true!!!
  #28
7th August 2009, 12:02 AM
NewLucker
 
Poker at: PartyPoker
Game: NL holdem
re: Poker Room Bots

Well and how to you it? The real bot or cheater!

  #29
7th August 2009, 12:13 AM
Dogfish44
 
Online Poker at: Full-Tilt
Game: Hold Em
Sorry dude, but that's all greek to me!!!

Yes... before you complain, I do know it's cyrillic!!!
  #30
7th August 2009, 12:45 AM
slycbnew
 
Game: Yes
NewLucker, I don't think anyone claims that bots know what cards are coming.
  #31
7th August 2009, 1:04 AM
the lab man
 
Online Poker at: All Over
Game: Any Game
Last year there was evidence that there was Bots Playing at Cake Poker.

It was never made clear who was running the bots... I believe it was not Cake

They were playing in small stakes cash games

A couple of posts to back this up

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...r-bots-178402/

http://www.feltpoker.com/forums/poke...ker-bots-5824/

I was involved in some of the hands...So I did see this.
  #32
7th August 2009, 1:18 AM
Dogfish44
 
Poker at: Full-Tilt
Game: Hold Em
Maybe, because like lovers... they were suited?
  #33
7th August 2009, 1:26 AM
slycbnew
 
Game: Yes
Quote:
Originally Posted by NewLucker
Wy he call all in with T4 ?Its very stupid call !!!
C'mon, you don't really think everyone who plays on line is good, do you? I wouldn't make any money if everyone were good!

Believe me, I play live as well as online, and I see worse hands all in preflop than T4s!
  #34
7th August 2009, 2:10 AM
MrFold
 
Poker at: Cool Hand
Game: Hi-Lo
How can you tell who's a real player and who's a bot?
  #35
7th August 2009, 2:21 AM
ukaliks
 
Online Poker at: Tilt
Game: Monopoly
re: Poker Room Bots

little hidden thing on that picture with the guy who has T4. It's a $2 tournie. U get idiots playin any crap so it's not a bot.
As for the top sites i doubts there will b bots as this will ruin their image. Dont think they want that since FT and pokerstars are battling out to become the best ATM IMO.
As for the small sites im not too sure about bots but mayb they are easy to beat? Im sur eu can figure there betting patterns out.
 



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