Poker not rigged - LMAO

I've been meaning to post this for ages, but it's just getting more and more ridiculous, and more and more unbelievable, but 2 more today so...

Running total of H2H games where the first all-in confrontation has been won by the small stack with the worst cards........

Big Stack & best cards = Nil

Small Stack & worst cards = ....... TWELVE!!!!!

i know, variance!


I've been the small stack in some of them, and am showing a healthy profit, but this is proof enough for me that poker simply IS rigged, sorry!

ur so wrong, online poker is rigged against the small stacks so that they get more people busting more quickly, then they enter more donkaments and generate more rake.

IT'S SO OBVIOUS I MEAN WTF DOOD

From my own personal experiences, I always come from behind and win. Shortstacked and all. If I am the leader in chippies I always lose them. This is tournament play only however. I can actually tell you how the play is going to go if I make it to the final table, by how many chippies I have when I get there.

we back to this again?????

Online Poker is not rigged, and I've had as many bad beats as most of you.

You would realise this if you actually played a lot of live games like I have and considering % of hands, I have seen more bad beats live.

G-man

Just reporting what i've seen mate - at even money losing 12 consecutive hands is over 4,000/1, when you add in the 6/4, 2/1 etc's hands you're talking 10,000+/1. You can put it down to variance / selective memory / exaggeration if you want, but it is true and has happened over a couple of months. I've played for a couple of years, make a profit pretty much every month and shouldn't really be allying myself to the theorists and newbies, but i've seen the same patterns happening over and over again.

you do realise we have a huge thread for silly conspiracy theories, right?

if you could inform me why poker sites would want to rig donkaments in favour of short stacks i'd be grateful too, tyty.

also if you could let me know whether you're actually actively tracking the "12 in a row" stuff or just working from memory that would be great too. seeing as you have been so anti-PT in the past, I can only assume you're working from memory, and I'm sure you can see the problems with that.

Tracked it from 3, was going to post at 6, then again at 10 but thought i'd be laughed at. Got to 12 so i posted, but wished i hadn't. Would Pokertracker track this situation then?

well with PT you could look back over hands to confirm.

also

hey chris thanks for the input on that one thread dick

Thirteen, my J 10 survives against 10 10 - 34% chance.

LOL, Fourteen, my K8s rivers QQ

ITS RIGGED! NICE! DONT PLAY IF YOU DONT WANT TO! You of all people to say poker is rigged

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PokerStars Game #9537983433: Tournament #47489741, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/21 - 16:37:33 (ET)
Table '47489741 2' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: Binger (4920 in chips)
Seat 3: mischman (5170 in chips)
Seat 5: TexasBlondie (5220 in chips)
Seat 7: Grumbledook (4950 in chips)
Seat 8: *MELINA 07* (4700 in chips)
Seat 9: MilesAM (5040 in chips)
Binger: posts small blind 10
mischman: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [2h 7c]
TexasBlondie: folds
Grumbledook: raises 40 to 60
*MELINA 07*: folds
MilesAM: folds
Binger: folds
mischman: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [8d Jc Js]
mischman: checks
Grumbledook: bets 80
mischman: raises 160 to 240
Grumbledook: calls 160
*** TURN *** [8d Jc Js] Q♥
mischman: bets 470
Grumbledook: calls 470
*** RIVER *** [8d Jc Js Qh] 2♠
mischman: bets 1400
Grumbledook: folds
mischman collected 1550 from pot
mischman: shows [2h 7c] (two pair, Jacks and Deuces)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1550 | Rake 0
Board [8d Jc Js Qh 2s]
Seat 2: Binger (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: mischman (big blind) collected (1550)
Seat 5: TexasBlondie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Grumbledook folded on the River
Seat 8: *MELINA 07* folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: MilesAM (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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How rigged, the flop is 7722 when i folded it a few hands ago


PokerStars Game #9538538284: Tournament #47489741, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/04/21 - 17:15:29 (ET)
Table '47489741 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Binger (3995 in chips)
Seat 3: mischman (8315 in chips)
Seat 5: TexasBlondie (5285 in chips)
Seat 8: *MELINA 07* (7095 in chips)
Seat 9: MilesAM (5310 in chips)
*MELINA 07*: posts small blind 25
MilesAM: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [3s Qh]
Binger: raises 150 to 200
mischman: folds
TexasBlondie: calls 200
*MELINA 07*: folds
MilesAM: folds
*** FLOP *** [7h 2h 2c]
Binger: bets 350
TexasBlondie: calls 350
*** TURN *** [7h 2h 2c] 7♠
Binger: bets 1300
TexasBlondie: folds
Binger collected 1175 from pot
Binger: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1175 | Rake 0
Board [7h 2h 2c 7s]
Seat 2: Binger collected (1175)
Seat 3: mischman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TexasBlondie (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: *MELINA 07* (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: MilesAM (big blind) folded before Flop

Uh-huh. You're officially a madman. More so than Mike Matusow, and it's not even close.

OMG, i jsut have 87 one guy raises 2 a fewas BBs and i slapmy chips in da middle and teh the 1st 3 crds to cme out was a 6 a 5 a 4. He betz allins and i calls. shows 9 10 and man if tegh fing river wasnt a 8 and i los e all mi chips!

it was grumbledook, i ahd to bluff him and rub it in

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PokerStars Game #9538660490: Tournament #47489741, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/04/21 - 17:24:00 (ET)
Table '47489741 2' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Binger (6345 in chips)
Seat 3: mischman (7790 in chips)
Seat 5: TexasBlondie (4885 in chips)
Seat 8: *MELINA 07* (6270 in chips)
Seat 9: MilesAM (4710 in chips)
TexasBlondie: posts small blind 25
*MELINA 07*: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [2d 7d]
MilesAM: raises 100 to 150
Binger: folds
Binger is sitting out
mischman: raises 250 to 400
TexasBlondie: calls 375
*MELINA 07*: folds
MilesAM: calls 250
*** FLOP *** [4d 8c Qd]
TexasBlondie: bets 100
MilesAM: folds
mischman: calls 100
*** TURN *** [4d 8c Qd] 4♠
TexasBlondie: checks
mischman: bets 400
TexasBlondie: calls 400
*** RIVER *** [4d 8c Qd 4s] [Td]
TexasBlondie: checks
mischman: bets 1450
TexasBlondie: calls 1450
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mischman: shows [2d 7d] (a flush, Queen high)
TexasBlondie: mucks hand
mischman said, "sorry"
mischman collected 5150 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5150 | Rake 0
Board [4d 8c Qd 4s Td]
Seat 2: Binger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mischman (button) showed [2d 7d] and won (5150) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 5: TexasBlondie (small blind) mucked [Jc Jd]
Seat 8: *MELINA 07* (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: MilesAM folded on the Flop

LMAO, favorite hand of course.

if you've worked out how the sites are apparently rigged go exploit them

Thanks for your input Mischman, but the parameters of the pattern i discovered are quite precise.

1) Has to be a H2H game

2) Has to be the first "all-in before the flop" confrontation.

3) The smaller stack has to have the worst of it pre-flop.

Just taking the last 6 which i have got documented evidence for, the odds of the small stack losing all 6 (and this isn't a whiny rant, i've been the small stack on a number of occassions and have come back to win) is over 300/1. If you add in the previous 8, it's over Half a million to one. Doesn't make sense, but that isn't variance. And this is over 3 sites, 9 on pokerstars, 1 on Absolute, and 4 on Full Tilt. And i'm not losing, i'm making over $200 a month playing H2H almost exclusively (due to time restrictions predominately) for a couple of hours a night.

Are you serious??? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound??

You might say you have evidence for this or whatever, but what a few hands?? You know that's not enough evidence, and is just a ridiculous claim.

See above, tell me how and i will. But on a similar note, the only 2 full table SnG's i've won recently are ones where i've caught miracle cards (AK beat AA and K 2 beat 8 9 post flop on a 7 8 9 board (trun K, river 2). The SnG where i played my best game for ages, i lost 3 all-ins as favourite, came back to take on the table luckbox who had sucked out 3 times on other opponents, got the chips in post flop as 98% favourite, and got runner runnered - i simply wasn't going to win that one, regardless of what i did.

I'm not the only regular poster on site that has suggested it has gotten harder to win since the US ban. It's easy to see why pokersites would want to tilt the game in favour of poorer players, because once they lose their stacks (in the case of American players) they aren't able to re-deposit (and contribute to rake). I'm not an idiot, of course the likelyhood is that it isn't rigged, but i was saying that to myself when the run was at 6, again when it was at 10, it's now at 14, and sometimes you've got to take your own experience and observations over that of others.

Half a Million to one IS evidence - i wouldn't have posted and risked ridicule otherwise. You've got your opinion, i've got mine - play 100+ H2H games as I have, then come back.

Rob, Pm me, ill play a few $5 HU Sngs with you and shove the first hand

Hmmm. And yet my Multi street bluff was somehow worse.

it was grumbledoNk

yeah, the sites being rigged is obviously the most logical explanation for this...

im glad you think that chris, i thought for sure you would just blame it on all the american players being donks

This is a missapplication of probability.

If you had sat down before any of this and written down those rules and then proceeded to get 14 results in a row then you might have something.

However you have observed something and then built a set of rules to fit your observations.

From the rules I can assume that the short stack has gone in with the best of it and lost and that on subsequent all ins the rules don't hold up.

From your posts you have added these refinements as you've observed them. Originally it was that the short stack always wins when behind.

If I throw 100 coins in the air and then note down the results of each coin, the probability of the exact result is not 1 in 10,000 or whatever it is 1 in 1 because it has already happened. If I call it correctly beforehand then it's something odd.

You may decide to further refine your ruleset based on experience when you discover that it doesn't work if it's the 3rd hand of the game or when the Kd is involved or it's raining. But you are stretching your theory to fit the results it's not scientific method.

Now you have a set of rules, try them out without changing them and see the results.

Ah! I see.

I thought cards are always being shuffled in online poker? Tell me how at the play money tables if can tell me my hand before i get dealt any cards(SS shows 2 cards but my finger is slow)!!!

RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!! RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!! RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!RIGGED!!!!

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If your playing at full tilt then you forgot that the random number generator is a bit screwie. It goes in patterns from a high flop to a low one. If you can catch it and have the corresponding cards, then you can beat it. Also FT tends to pay off straights if your on a draw. Provided if you have the correct cards to play. (low cards/low flop, high cards/high flop)

This is the kind of thing that sets people off. This happens at FTP too. These are not real cards. It's animation. Do you really think it takes 3 seconds for a computer to deal out the cards? Your cards and the cards of everyone at the table are selected instantaniously and before they land infront of you. The cards flying around the table and landing in your lap is just a cartoon. However, I'm sure that being able to see them before the deal is done is an unintended glitch. If you can figure out how to make use of it let us know.

I'm not going to get involved in this discussion for several reasons, primarily because poker conspiracy theories are, without contest, absolutely the dumbest topics we allow on here. My only point for posting here is to simply acknowledge Rex's post. Excellent post Rex.