Poker...more luck or skill?

#1 10th January 2011, 1:35 AM

im curious what most folks on this forum think. ive heard it said that poker is 90% luck and 10% skill. i dont necessarily believe that. anyway, let the debate begin.

#2 10th January 2011, 1:42 AM

Lately it's been unlucky just about every hand. Still think it is skill that wins out in the end.

#3 10th January 2011, 2:11 AM

I think its 60/40 in favor of skill.... but its hard to determine, one who plays bad and wins alot....could say its 90/10 in favor of luck, one who plays good and loses alot could say the same lololol If you dont get the cards , you can only bluff so many times, also if you get the cards you still have to play them properly in order to maximize your stack and or profits ! I'll stick with 60/40 Skill over luck.

#4 10th January 2011, 2:50 AM

two to 1 skill versus luck(67.666 skill 33.333 luck).

#5 10th January 2011, 5:01 AM

All skill here baby!

#6 10th January 2011, 6:23 AM

Depends in the stakes. micro stakes (5NL and below) is a lot of luck cuz a lot of people don't play right. Anything above it, you'll need skill and lots of it.

#7 10th January 2011, 9:36 AM

Winning individual hands require luck, but to be a long term winning player requires skill. Good players will lose less in pots that they will lose, and more money in pots that they will win. That is where the skill comes into it IMO

#8 10th January 2011, 10:34 AM

Depends on how many hands you play.

#9 10th January 2011, 10:35 AM

Luck and skill aren't opposites of each other...

Luck has to do w/ favorable circumstances...

Skill has to be applied through actions...

Circumstances and how we react to them are two different animals.

That being said, having to choose between being the luckiest player in history or the most skilled...

I'd choose lucky.

#10 10th January 2011, 3:52 PM

As a Live player, it seems to me there is more skill in live play. You have the ability to Read players by sight and can influence thier play by useing your own tells in your favor.

Online, with the reshuffle, seems to be much more luck involved. Also depends on the level you play at.

#11 10th January 2011, 9:15 PM

I think it goes something like this:

#12 10th January 2011, 9:24 PM

i think it is a combination of both.

however, depending on the game, bluffing and knowledge of your opponents must be factored into the luck of the draw.

#13 10th January 2011, 10:08 PM

I would say Online is Donkey Luck... and Live is skill

#14 10th January 2011, 10:46 PM

The more hands/tourneys played, the more skill is involved.

For example one random hand of a tourney is almost all luck. One random deepstack tourney 10-20% skill. Being a winning player after thousands of tourneys 80-90% skill.

BTW 63% of all statistics are made up on the spot so the above may not be perfectly accurate

#15 10th January 2011, 11:17 PM

I believe winning over the long run is a skill. What is the long run a baseline of ten thousand hands would be a good start. Then lets look at skill. There are at least three areas where a skill player must be knowledgeable and completely in control. 1. The game they are playing rules, odds and theory. 2. Themselves,emotional and physically. 3. The ability to read and remmber other players, i.e. take great notes.

#16 10th January 2011, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LizaMayra

I would say Online is Donkey Luck... and Live is skill

why would u say that?

#17 10th January 2011, 11:23 PM

Success favors a prepared mind. Prepare for the game, study the game, and the game will take care of you.

#18 11th January 2011, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DetroitJimmy

BTW 63% of all statistics are made up on the spot...

82.4% of people believe 'em whether they're accurate statistics, or not!

YouTube - Todd Snider - Statistician's Blues

#19 11th January 2011, 1:05 AM

What happens on a day to day basis is luck, but what happens over the long haul has to do with skill. In the long run, and I mean LONG, everyone experiences the same hand combinations so it is up to you what you choose to do with them.

#20 11th January 2011, 2:26 AM

Be careful with assuming that success (even in the "long run") is attributable to skill. This is food for the ego...

We're better off assuming that we are successful due to our "good luck" and counting our $.

#21 11th January 2011, 2:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSOP13

why would u say that?

Because she's a fool?

#22 11th January 2011, 2:51 AM

I believe its about 70% skill or so. You can be the best pro out there and still get unlucky. Granted it's not always about the cards you are dealt because if you are good you can always bluff, but I believe in many big tourneys it requires a great amount of both luck and skill to win. Lets face it, you are BOUND to have at LEAST 2 or 3 50 50 all in's to be knocked out if you are to win a big tournament.

#23 11th January 2011, 10:12 PM

i think poker is a combination of getting lucky while being skillful at the game

#24 11th January 2011, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSOP13

why would u say that?

Because she is right?

#25 12th January 2011, 2:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWall

What happens on a day to day basis is luck, but what happens over the long haul has to do with skill. In the long run, and I mean LONG, everyone experiences the same hand combinations so it is up to you what you choose to do with them.

Really well said.. it's no coincidence that a lot of the same guys always wind up being at the final tables on a regular basis...

You can get lucky in cards.. but ultimately its how you play your opponents that's going to matter...

#26 12th January 2011, 3:24 PM

I would say an equel measure of luck and skill, however, with the all-in online mentality it often shifts to luck. For example: In a tourney yesterday I had 4 hands I went all-in on due to various reasons including stack size, the hands were 55, 1010, JJ, and AA. I hit 4 of a kind on 5's and J's, won with a pair of 10's and lost on AA to QQ than hit trips. On the three hands I won there were higher pairs or at least AK pre-flop. Luck is definitely a factor!

#27 12th January 2011, 3:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunninger

Really well said.. it's no coincidence that a lot of the same guys always wind up being at the final tables on a regular basis...

You can get lucky in cards.. but ultimately its how you play your opponents that's going to matter...

Are you Norman Chad?

#28 12th January 2011, 4:56 PM

I think poker is more skill than luck. I mean everyone gets lucky now and again, but the skillful players win over the long haul. If your a terrible player who gets lucky than u might win a session or two, or go on a good run...but eventually your luck is going to run out. A skillful player is going to win on a consistent basis.

#29 12th January 2011, 11:38 PM

It's either good luck or bad luck. Skill is when you can drive an 18wheeler in the snow.

#30 12th January 2011, 11:41 PM

#31 13th January 2011, 3:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C00T

It's either good luck or bad luck. Skill is when you can drive an 18wheeler in the snow.

So that new series about Alaska'a lifeline through the bush pilots that's about to start says in the commercial, and I quote... "Iceroad truckers are a bunch of Pu$$ies."... now I think both take balls...but that just came to mind when I saw your post lol I dunno why.

#32 13th January 2011, 3:58 AM

I believe experience helps you in certain hands but i also believe lady luck has to be on your side alot more than being skilled

#33 13th January 2011, 7:51 AM

More skill than luck, there's always a lot of things to take in account of course....

#34 14th January 2011, 2:29 AM

I don't know what the most intelligent answer would be. If I had to guess I would guess that statistics don't lie so "skills" but ah... Luck sure does help, though.

#35 14th January 2011, 7:54 AM

Poker is guess-work. Guessing right most of the time is a skill. Not being able to guess right requires luck. Bad players require luck. Good players require skill. The game needs both.

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