Poker After Dark: Hellmuth

#1 2nd August 2008, 6:11 AM

I was watching poker after dark, the cash game, and in the episode, mike baxter had KK and was up against phil helmuth... If Im remembering this correctly, At the end of the hand, Phil declared that Baxter had slow played him and basically was saying how every pro was watching and like making fun of Baxter for slow playing Helmuth... Isn't slow playing a perfectly reasonable strategy that Helmuth does all the time? Did i just misunderstand what he was saying? Anyone know what he was saying?

#2 2nd August 2008, 6:14 AM

He lost a fair amount of money on the episode... He seemed to be tilted... He was playing a lot of hands but not really winning many.... I guess maybe he just ranting about nothing....

#3 2nd August 2008, 6:17 AM

actually he said slow rolling which is kind of disrespectful

basically he made it seem like he thought his hand was the worst when in reality it was uber strong and Hellmuth thought it was a jerk thing to do

look up slow rolling on google for a real definition

#4 2nd August 2008, 12:27 PM

Ive just been watching those eps and lol'd when he stropped like that

As i remember Baxter bet probably 3/4 of the pot on the river after betting on the flop and turn.

Slow roll my bum lol

This was after Hellmuth had tried to slow play AK and David Peats QT had made him a straight on the river a hand which he went on about for the rest of the show lol.

Hellmuth is a good player but sometimes he just talks utter rubbish

#5 2nd August 2008, 12:40 PM

Love him or hate, Phil is one of the greatest tournament players in history.

I didn't see the episode you were reefering (sp? lol!) to but... Almost anything that comes out of Phil's mouth at the table is calculated and part of his game.

ANYTIME he observes an opponent playing anything other than straight forward poker or playing back at him he berates them.

He's smart.

#6 2nd August 2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Double-A

Love him or hate, Phil is one of the greatest tournament players in history.

I didn't see the episode you were reefering (sp? lol!) to but... Almost anything that comes out of Phil's mouth at the table is calculated and part of his game.

ANYTIME he observes an opponent playing anything other than straight forward poker or playing back at him he berates them.

He's smart.

Totally agree with you, and lets not forget Mrs Hellmuth is a psychologist so a few tips may have come from there too

#7 2nd August 2008, 12:56 PM

Have to love Phil! His ridiculous outbursts AND skill make him.. him. He is a great player(not my favorite though either).

#8 2nd August 2008, 4:47 PM

I don't blame the guy. He's like the unluckiest poker player ever. I know I often find myself with the best hand getting outdrawn, and it gets frustrating.

#9 2nd August 2008, 5:52 PM

Baxter did kinda slowroll him as he knew it was the best hand which he admitted to, however Hellmuth's reaction was pretty rediciulous he was obviously tilted, but damn what a baby!

#10 2nd August 2008, 5:53 PM

And for being the greatest ever Hellmuth is terrible at cash games. Which is why everyone wants to play with him! Yes he's good at NL holdem tournaments, but to consider yourself the best I think you need to be able to adapt your game so you can win in any variation of the games you play.

#11 2nd August 2008, 10:41 PM

Im pretty sure alot of the cash pros like to play hellmuth in big cash games because hes a fish.

#12 2nd August 2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Monoxide

Im pretty sure alot of the cash pros like to play hellmuth in big cash games because hes a fish.

i wouldn't mind playin with him myself (maybe a bit exaggerated)

but yea hes seriously terrible in cash games

i mean maybe it's just the times we see him on tv hes bad but geez hes pretty bad

#13 2nd August 2008, 11:38 PM

If you could seperate the brain from the boy Im sure you could learn a lot. Just from hearing him talk about his strategy and concepts you know there is a lot of knowledge in that cranium. But as an old teacher of mine said. God balances everything out.
His immature behaviour makes him so unappealing Im just indifferent to him.

#14 3rd August 2008, 1:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bpashs

You've watched him play many many hands on multiple T.V programs (HSP,PAD) and I declare the man a horrible cash game player.

Yup, pretty much. Hes not that great, he probably couldnt beat 1/2 online.

#15 3rd August 2008, 5:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bpashs

He's made over 20 million in poker by his own admission. Less than 10 of that is from his tourney winnings. Do the math

ok

10 mil tourneys + 15 mil in endorsements - 5 mil in cash = $20 million

Seriously it's one thing to see him play bad, but listen to his reasoning, it's literally level 1 thinking. "he put [x] dollars on THAT???"

#16 3rd August 2008, 5:20 AM

oh phil the poker brat, ya you gotta love. he rambles on, he's a sore loser, but i read his attitude is getting better. you have to admire his achievments, but sometimes his behavior is way off. but ya gotta love him.

#17 3rd August 2008, 8:30 AM

I hate watching anything that Phil is on. I admit he is a great tournament player. However he bratty behaviour drives me nuts. It is as if when he bets people should just hand the chips over because he is Phil Helmuth. My favorite to ever watch was in a tournament of champions. It ended up heads-up between Phil and Annie Duke. She owned him from the time they started heads-up and he just kept going on and on about how he was the best and there was no way she could win. Annie won and then they showed Phil pacing and cursing for about 15 minutes.

#18 3rd August 2008, 8:40 AM

You gotta love a good Phil rant. He is a great player but even great players can be beat. But you still gotta love his crazy rants it is who he is and every player has to have his own persona. His is just a little over the top.

#19 4th August 2008, 7:00 PM

He is the Jimmie Connors of poker... (for those of you old enough to remember)...

#20 4th August 2008, 8:36 PM

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Originally Posted by batmanspokerbuddy

I don't blame the guy. He's like the unluckiest poker player ever. I know I often find myself with the best hand getting outdrawn, and it gets frustrating.

UnluckY!!! I wish I was unlucky like him!!!! 14 bracelets, sponorships etc.....

#21 4th August 2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by orangecat

UnluckY!!! I wish I was unlucky like him!!!! 14 bracelets, sponorships etc.....

Uhhh, he only has 11 bracelets. Still the best tournament player ever though. Some say Doyle Brunson is the best ever, and for cash games I cant argue that. But Phil Hellmuth has 11 bracelets to Doyle's 10. Plus its much easier to get bracelets against 40 people than 500, no matter how good the 40 are.

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