ben_rhyno
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Doesn't matter we've gone to the extreme non-real world example to prove the point.Sorry to interrupt but i don't see how when you're multitabling you can afford to take the time to post in the CO, then sit out every blind on every table? Does this not mean you only see 6 hands/BB paid as you will have to miss the BTN,SB and BB every orbit?
Add that to the fact that any serious/decent player is not going to be missing 3 hands per orbitI don't see why anything here would make any sense. You have proven posting from the CO is worse than just waiting. And if you skipped three hands every orbit, it would take tons more hours to play the same amount.
$/hr > bb/100?
Ummm yeah, that's exactly how it works and your WR is only positive if you don't have to post the blinds.
Go back and look at my table from page 1. In the BB I won $10,818.60 without the blinds. That sample was for 50nl over 36121 hands from the BB or $18,060.50 worth of blinds posted. So my SUPER DUPER CORRECT math says that my $$ won from the BB should be $10,818.60 (money won) - $18,060.50 (blinds posted) or -$7,241.90.
I'll post the table here again for reference and maybe you can tell me where my math is wrong again???
Just keep posting and I'll just keep winning.
I don't see why anything here would make any sense. You have proven posting from the CO is worse than just waiting. And if you skipped three hands every orbit, it would take tons more hours to play the same amount.
$/hr > bb/100?
Add that to the fact that any serious/decent player is not going to be missing 3 hands per orbit
Doesn't matter we've gone to the extreme non-real world example to prove the point.
Eh? Why is it? Doesn't it just lose you money as you're losing out on seeing hands for free, prior to sitting out. You still have to pay the BB when you rejoin so it makes no difference..
As for your 2,7 hand example, you of course can make a FH every now and again but keep calling pre flop with these hands is a sure loser in the long run.
As to your WR being different from the CO just because you posted the blind, I don't see it. The position is the position. If my WR went up just because I'm posting the blinds (before the blinds are deducted) do you think my WR would go way up if I didn't post the blinds but played a lot more random hands from the CO?
The BB sucks postflop yes but it actually has several advantages that the CO doesn't have preflop. It gets to act last. It can have guaranteed position throughout. It can get a walk. The CO has none of those things.
No it would not be that high if I didn't have to post from the BB. But if I played every hand the same from that position (last to act pre, 1st or 2nd to act post) it would equal that total amount - the amount of the blinds I had put in for those hands that I won.
...You seem to think that by posting in the CO your WR from that position (before posting the blinds) will improve...
...I don't think it will. So my position is you'd win at your current WR minus the blinds paid. The more often you have to post from the CO the more your adjusted for blinds paid WR would suffer.
I thought this was settled in the earlier link - Pros > "Regulars"Like I said earlier, there is a reason regulars don't post from the CO. It's a losing play.
It doesn't matter though because as you said it's not practical and not feasible for a real player to sit out every 6 hands for 3 hands on all tables, so just in terms of sitting down for your 20table session, not planning to mess around and sit out all the time, where is it better to post your initial BB to get started on the table, CO or BB?^What he said^
If you haven't read the whole thread, this is just about whether it's better to enter a new table at the big blind, or wait until the cutoff to post your bb. After that, you play as usual. It has been said numerous times here that it would not be practical to do this every round, but to demonstrate the effect this would have long-term, we have been talking about playing multiple rounds this way.
It doesn't matter though because as you said it's not practical and not feasible for a real player to sit out every 6 hands for 3 hands on all tables, so just in terms of sitting down for your 20table session, not planning to mess around and sit out all the time, where is it better to post your initial BB to get started on the table, CO or BB?
Ok here is another way to look at why it's wrong to post from the CO. Maybe this one will get through.
Again using my WRs from the table (now in bb/hand to make things clearer):
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Ok here is another way to look at why it's wrong to post from the CO. Maybe this one will get through.
Again using my WRs from the table (now in bb/hand to make things clearer):
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Also why would BTN/BB/SB WRs be relevant? You're never playing those positions.
I needed those to show you how bad your math was, thanks.
You're one of a kind Billy.
I never honestly thought I'd learn something of this thread until you popped up!
Ahhh but that's why you're wrong! My posted WR from the SB/BB already includes money lost to the blinds! So your top graph on the right is correct BUT you don't get to double deduct for the blinds so you can't resubtract the cost to play (1.5bb) as it's already included in the top.
So .5496 per round at 100nl for 100,000 rounds (900,000 hands) = $54,960.
I will say that if your WRs from the CO thru UTG are better than mine, posting from the CO may be correct. You just need to make more $$s over those 6 hands than you lose for posting the bb. My WR doesn't allow for that but I'm sure there are a few crushers out there who can.