| Page 4 - This is a discussion on PLaying first HAND! within the online poker forums, in the General Poker section; LOL I've been reading up in this post, very good post by the way, and the best I can tell is that there are some ... |
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| LOL I've been reading up in this post, very good post by the way, and the best I can tell is that there are some people (and pros) that think it is not only ok, but profitable, to post before the bb? I'm not saying people should post early, just that it's possible to be the correct move in some circumstances. Now from what I can tell, the only position it might be considered ok to early post is in the CO position. |
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| Given; -Full table, 9 hands per orbit...but 2 of those hands are traditional losers, even for pretty good players in effect leaving 7 worthwhile hands per orbit. -Posting to get into the orbit on the CO leaves 6 hands per orbit, but all can reasonably show gain. So what is preventing me sitting out every blinds (SB & BB), and posting a single big blind, every orbit from the CO ????? Play 6 hands then sit out again....? |
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If you'd like to play a bunch of hands always posting from the CO then you can come back and post your (losing) graph. |
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| If you post in the CO you have to pay an extra blind you wouldn't otherwise have to. Unless you're gonna join a table then leave UTG everytime which is stupid, and I'm sure if you do that then the next time you join you have to pay the SB and BB. If you play 9 hands at the table, a full round then you're gonna post 2.5bb's instead of 1.5. THAT IS STUPID. |
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| 9 max You post in the blinds you pay 1.5bb (sb + bb) to see 9 hands, price per hand = 0.166 bb/hand You post in the CO and pay 1bb to see 6 hands, price per hand = 0.166bb/hand 6 max. You post in the blinds you pay 1.5bb (sb + bb) to see 6 hands, price per hand = 0.25 bb/hand You post in the CO and pay 1bb to see 3 hands, price per hand = 0.33bb/hand. Whilst the 6 max player is clearly loosing out by posting in the CO (the price per hand for the first orbit is higher) it may appear that the player posting in the CO in a 9 max game is doing nothing wrong as the price per hand is equal to that of posting in the blinds. However in a 9 max game the player is still disadvantaged as he misses out playing 1 orbit in the BTN which is the single most profitable seat in the game, so whilst his cost per hand isnt effected, his winrate still drops due to him giving up the BTN for one orbit. |
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I have explained where all of my numbers came from and offered to change them if you had a justification for using some other value. You didn't respond. I explained my methods of calculation, and why your methods were incorrect. You didn't respond. Quote:
I would love to hear what your stats guy has to say about this. Maybe he understands math a bit better. |
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Lets again look at this table: So from the BB I have won $10,818.60 without counting blinds paid. Do you agree? I have paid $18,060,50 in blinds from the BB. Do you agree? I have lost $7,241.90 from the BB position. Do you agree? |
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| All the ****ing math, graphs, typing, arguing. Holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. Nerds itt imo. Wow. You guys just made me hate poker. I got through the first two and a half pages. Sorry gonna slink out of this thread now. Obv WV is right, but I cant really back up my argument as I cant multiply 6594846bb x9xwhateverthehellelse you guys are trying to prove. lol. Last edited by PC69 : 17th March 2011 at 2:48 AM. Reason: Maybe it was all that pot over the years? =) |
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I'll be happy to try to explain anything that was not clear. Did you have more to discuss about this table, or would you like to talk about the tables that compare posting in the BB vs cutoff? |
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So, you don't think that there's a difference between posting and paying? You think that if you win two dollars and lose three dollars that you've won two dollars? If you'll notice, I gave fairly detailed reasons why I disagreed with two of your statements. You did not refute my statements other than to say that I have no idea what I'm talking about. I don't think I'm the one who needs help here, but I don't think I can help you. You are sure that you're right and no amount of evidence is going to persuade you otherwise, but the facts are not on your side, so you have no way of proving your case. |
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| You have NO EVIDENCE. Go play the hands and come back. You'll need a decent sample where you don't post from the CO and a decent sample where you always post from the CO. Hopefully it takes you several years to gather this data because if I have to read another one of your stupid posts my brain is likely to explode. Until then this thread is done and I know just how to end it. |
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| Oh yeah, if/when I here back from Matt (stats guy) I'll post that info here. Once you've gathered your sample data send me a PM and I'll open the thread back up for you. Last edited by WVHillbilly : 17th March 2011 at 4:58 AM. Reason: Hope to hear from you in a few years. |
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