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  Poker - Playing big hands early
 
  #1  
25-11-2007, 5:04 PM
Tygran
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Playing big hands early

I think I've been tilting a little lately... regardless this is an issue that really has been costing me of late, an unwillingness to let big pairs go.

This is always early at a SnG, I've been able to lay them down later and usually correctly so.

Here is what has been happening..a whole lot..and my head doesn't feel like it's on straight so hopefully someone can help me see this clearly. With hands like JJ-AA and AK, what is the best way to play these early (first couple of blind levels). Doesn't seem to matter how much I raise AK in particular, I get multiple callers and usually (of course) a bad flop. I'm almost to the point where on *certain* tables I'm ready to muck the hand preflop if it's early and I'm not in good position, the play has been that bad.

Anyway, what keeps happening is no matter how much or little I raise or what the flop is I keep losing alot of chips with them. If it's all low undercards, *someone* keeps flopping a low set or 2 pair. So with a board like 2-5-7 rainbow and I'm holding KK for example. How hard am I supposed to push this? How much resistance from a loose player do I need in order to get out? I just keep running into this and it seems like if I stubbornly refuse to get out I get busted or hurt badly and if I fold it I've had several people flip total air or a lower pp (like 99). Finding it hard to tell the difference sometimes.

This has happened alot this week. AK I can dump with no problem, QQ-AA is alot harder. So how do you play these hands against people who will call with nearly anything preflop and then often play it the same way postflop regardless of if they hit? Should I just shake this off as a weird string of bad luck? Should I be raising a whole lot more early and just be happy with small blinds if that's what I get as a result?

I'm sort of rambling but does anyone else know what I mean? I've been bleeding alot of chips lately with these hands and what look like very favorable flops. I know that alot of the plays I made in the long run should be profitable but man they sting right now.

Last night this happened at 4 straight tables (called twice, they had the set, folded twice one had a smaller pp one had K high). I kinda lost it and went out to get drunk. So if this post is somewhat incoherent it's probably cause I'm a little hung over.
 

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  #2  
25-11-2007, 7:34 PM
DaFrench1
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I've been having this a lot lately, I could post a string of hand histories that would read like a horror film. I tend to use either one of two plays now with these: 1). Just try and take it down pre-flop, if anyone calls or comes over the top then push and pray 2). Go for a standard PF raise, take your callers, and then just play it out the same way if you'd hit top pair on the flop (thats about the strength of the holdings after all).
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26-11-2007, 12:31 AM
Tygran
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So now that I'm more aware of what I'm typing, just wanted to add to this by saying I wasn't posting out of frustration last night. This is really a hole in my game and one I just can't seem to figure out the best way to fix it.

Against a bunch of relatively unknown opponents but that you suspect to be loose (I would classify someone this way if they have been playing alot of hands early and/or shown down some really poor hands), or known loose opponents, what the best way to play big pairs when you are in the first 2-3 blind levels AND in early position? Specifically, what would you do preflop and more importantly, what do you do postflop what it comes undercards, no obvious draws? On the one hand I don't really want to raise everyone out and get the 30 chips from the blinds with such a big hand, but I find if I don't raise huge (and even sometimes when I do) I get multiple callers with stuff like any ace, KJ, low pairs, suited connecters, etc.... I'm not trying to paint the picture that this happens all the time but it happens enough. You don't really want to be playing QQ against 3 opponents.

This may seem trivially easy but it's really causing me problems lately. So the biggest question I'm trying to ask is simply this: When out of position with QQ-AA, and a rainbow of undercards flop. What does it take for me to lay this down against a loose opponent who could be holding/betting anything?
 



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