player tracker software

Originally Posted by JeffJaze

i personally think that the player tracker systems that produce a players roi is at best wishful thinking on how bad/good a poker player really is
I'd say ROI is pretty accurate. That's what you use to determine your edge, so it's a pretty fundamental measurement of tournament poker play.

i personally last time i saw had a negative20% roi rating on pokerstars, this is without a doubt horrible info to post and or give someone seeking true player ratings!
does it make me such a horrible player when i have aa and get it all in vs 44 and lose to the 2 outer river?
Depends on stack sizes and players left. You were definitely gettting in against a bigger stack so depending on the scenario this could be a bad mistake.

or how about when i flop the nut straight and some maniac shoves on a flush draw and i insta call only to be rivered by a flush?
If you checked your BB and flopped it, that's too bad. Otherwise I'm wondering how you got to that flop with a weak hand.

or when i flop a set and lose to a river straight?
Prolly just a beat

hell, ive even lost while holding 4444 on a 449 flop to someone holding pocket 9s only to see him hit bigger quads on the river.
Cold deck from hell

point im trying to make is if im a 95% favorite when i get my chips all in the pot, only to lose to that 2 or 3 outer river CONSTANTLY on both ftp as well as pokerstars how can you justify a players skill level based on all the constant outdraws they lose to?
Quad 4's v 99 was 95%. So you're not getting it in as good as you think.

how can you say someones not a good player when they lose this way every single session they play?
It's most likely not the final hand itself that's causing you to lose, but the hands leading up to that point. If you really put it in good, that's all you can do at that point.

I personally think its kid of harsh and unfair myself. all feedback is wanted and welcome, and thx all for reading
You honestly shouldn't care what others say about you. If you have fun playing then it doesn't matter. If you make money, then again, who cares? Just work on playing better every time

Originally Posted by dmorris68

Sounds like you're probably being too results oriented, and/or looking at too small a sample size as lik suggested. Over the long haul, if you're really playing your hands right and getting it all in in a +EV scenario, you'll profit and your ROI/winrate will show it.

Beats are going to happen no matter what. It's variance, and sometimes the downswing is excruciatingly long and slow to turn around. But if you're honest with yourself, chances are you set yourself up for a lot of those losses.

As far as tracking software being worthwhile, of course it is. This is a game of numbers and unless you're Rain Man, there's no way you'll accurately keep up with the amount of stats and calculations necessary to spot your own leaks as well as those of your opponents. Don't blame the software or write it off as useless just because you don't feel successful with it. Maybe you're putting TOO much trust in a cold stat?