Phil Iveys Heads-Up DeathMatch

Phil Ivey, by far one of the best poker players there is... a few days back... I saw him play at this table on Full Tilt... with the perfect name: Iveys Deathmatch...

in less then 2 hours... I saw one poor guy... loose more then $250,000 to Ivey... it was crazy... to watch...

if you had the money and the balls, would you go heads-up with the great Ivey?

Ivey also loses a lot to other great players such as Durrrr.

I would rather play HU against him than someone like FoxwoodsFiend or Krantz, so yes I suppose I would play him.

Also as I am not a rich person the only way for me to be able to afford to play Deathmatch would be to grind through the stakes, thus giving me a skill and experience advantage, so the odds would be in my favour.

^LOL at u thinking u would have an advantage against ivey

I'm more than willing to bet against

Add another to the lol at thinking you have an advantage column. If I played him there, I'd have to be worth at least 100 times the amount I bring to the table, and it would be purely paying for the experience of playing, I'd have no expectations of it actually being +ev.

I'm taking all action on the Everton vs. Ivie match, even money. Post your winner here and transfer me the wager. I'll pay out within 24 hrs after it takes place.

At what point did I say I have an advantage over him now?

I stated that if I grinded through the stakes using proper BRM to a point where I could play the deathmatch, I would have an advantage. Purely and simply because I would have more experience than him (his thousands of live tournaments will hardly equate to 15 levels worth of grinding, as I will have played many more hands), plus I would be more clued up on how high-stakes HU internet poker works. Agreed he would probably own my soul live at this time, as he would 99.9% of players, but I would have the advantage online just as players like Durrrr, Krantz, Whitelime, FoxwoodsFiend, Sbrugby and CTS would now.

Besides why would this be so unbelievable if i was to say this now? Just because Ivey is a extremely good LIVE player it doesn't make him the best player online. They are 2 totally different games.

This forum appears to be 2+2 for the less intellectual.

lol he's one of the best poker players in the world. Grinding up the levels does not make you better than one of the best in the world. And lol at thinking live and online are completely different games but comparing 2+2 and CC. 2+2 has a lot more good high-stakes players but also infinitely more morons and jerks.

Really? From what I've seen in this thread I am doubtful.

He is one of the best players in the world, in MTTs and in live play. Of course live and online plays different. Just because they are the same rules doesn't mean different tactics aren't used for each.

And in order for me to grind up the stakes I would have to be able to beat each level for a reasonable win-rate. I'm pretty sure the decent regs at 200/400 HUNL would be overall winners if they were rolled to play deathmatch.

Not saying at all that i would like my chances against Ivey, but of all the pros he would be one of the ones i would pick first to play online. Seems to me as of late he is almost bored of poker because it comes so easy to him. He had a poor WSOP for the 2nd maybe third year in a row, and seems to me he would rather be at the golf course or doing something else that he has developed an interest in, thats not easy for him. That being said he would still probably kick my butt. Online HU matches are very tough to predict especially if its just 1 game. Seems to me you could just catch great cards and beat anyone. Now say its a best 4 of 7 that would be a different story. Always remember, you cant judge yourself or anyone else over 1 game,hand,etc. Have to judge over the long run.

It would be fun to play the big dogs without overextending my roll.

But the only way that could ever happen is if I satti'd into a big MTT.

You could retire on the interest it would make waiting for the event to actually happen. Then you would in prolly have to tell your grandchildren to refund the bets to punters grandchildren.

Your doubtfull because people disagree with you? There a reason Ivey took that guys money and thats because hes a better poker player than most. Grind all you want and learn what you will, this guys job is to play poker, if he wasnt as good as he is he would pulling a 9-5 like nearly everyone here.

Everyones intitled to their opionion of course, so good for you, but dont think that your is the only or right one.

Gl

Ivey is one of the few "big name" pros that the internet fiends give full props to. Parik Antonius is another. Most of the big winners online (durrrr, aba, cts etc) don't seem to think much of the guys we see on TV a lot. I've seen a vid (PokerSavvy) of Hellmuth playing $50 blind NL 6max....he was pretty bad. And of course ranted in the chat box too.

Ivey donks out much.

Folks are gettin hep to his donkey bets with 62o.

The ones he beats are the ones who are afraid of him. He even says this is so. He relies on his name to bully folks around. Heard him say that too.


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And why not? A great poker player will use many things to win.

He's a good player but he does have his tilt moments. I watched him playing omaha online at FT. He had a bad beat...and the subsequent hand he kept raising and raising and all he had was a pair of two's...in OMAHA...almost anything would beat that and it didn't look like he was chasing another hand combo. He lost 50 grand on that hand alone and went offline right after...it was pretty strange.

ok the logic used is similar to someone saying that if they are one of the best little league, high school, and college players and gets drafted first round that they are then a better hitter than say Albert Pujols. You're saying that if someone is able to grind up and get to the level that Ivey already destroys that you'd be better than him. I disagree.

It depends on exactly how much money I had, and how much we were going to play with. If I had a 100 million dollars, and we played for 1 million... ya, sure, I'd play. If I had 1 million dollars, and we played for $500,000.. no way.

Poker isnt about glory or pride or whatever you guys want to play ivey for. Poker is simply to win as much money as you can so i would never play him unless i think i can win.

If I had $250.000 to go against Ivey. I'd have to start out playing very small like maybe play some sng's for $5 and $10..we'd do that for about year..or atleast until he figured out that he couldn't beat me.

Players such as Durr and sbrugby have argueably a small edge over ivey for 1 reason. Not because they grinded out stakes to become more experience but because they are awsome at pokahz

I'm English and don't understand. Better example?

Even if you had an advantage over Ivey in the Deathmatch the maximum you'd make is one buyin. That's all he's willing to lose before he gets up and jets out, on the other hand if hes winning big, he'll keep playing big. Good strategy.

ok the logic used is similar to someone saying that if they are one of the best school, university and local club players and get signed up by a premiership team, one of the big 4, that they are then a better player than say Christiano Ronaldo. You're saying that if someone is able to grind up and get to the level that Ivey already destroys that you'd be better than him. I disagree.


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^ u were the star of the under 15 world cup and were pretty good at the under 19 level doesnt mean that u will be better than cristiano ronaldo

I dont think Ivey donks that much. Gus likes to donk, but thats the way he plays, a very unpredictable game

If i had that kind of money i would never depo it on a poker site lol I would play micro/mid limit games. And even if i wanted to play for that much cash i certainly wouldn't put it up against Phil Ivey :/

This is like saying a scratch golfer, if he hit 1000 balls a day, could one day beat Tiger Woods. Do you think that while your grinding away Phil Ivey is going to stop playing? No, he is going to get better as well.

The difference between a pro poker player, online or live is like the difference between a weekend hack and a PGA Tour pro. You may play on the same field, but you are no where near in the same league.

Keep the digs at Ivey coming. Since he's arguably the best player in the world I find it amusing to read all these criticisms. Seriously, what is everyone smoking?

I don't really understand any of the logic here. If Ivey wasn't a tremendous force in any kind of poker, why would seemingly every pro give him major respect? And somehow all the years of poker experience he has doesn't translate online?

If you played for a year straight 8 hours a day 15 tabling you wouldn't have close to the volume he has played i'm willing to bet. Somebody has been watching rounders too much.

I wouldn't be able to play ivey heads up the blinds he plays sometimes is bigger then my bank roll on both sites. Btw don't watch pros play online line all u'll do is get ur hopes up and one day u might be able to play a pro on a low stakes table but most likey will end up donating to them or someone else at the table ur hole bank roll. < seen it happen many times and then people ask for there money back.

That is an extremely bad example. I am saying that I would have to beat the next highest stakes HUNL for a decent winrate before then in order to be rolled for it. And I am pretty sure that the regs who beat that game could beat Ivey HU over a big enough sample. Meaning if I was playing at that level I would be able to win for around the same winrate.

iknow that if I had the money I would take a run at ivey

It's funny to me how a pro can push with junk and he/she gets praised for a canny and cunning play. "What a read." But when anybody else does it they're a donk.

If it looks, smells and tastes like a duck.........




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