Phil hellmuth helps Daniel Negreanu epic collusion

Phil Hellmuth "questions" why he is sweating ace 6. The reason is: he saw Chris Ferguson's hand. Then he takes his sun glasses off, has a sip of water, looks at daniel negreanu, then away from the table to tell Daniel to "get out of the hand". Daniel then acts a bit, and folds JJ. Phil hellmuth's ego then get's in the way and confirms what happened. || Use your imagination ||

keep in mind what phil hellmuth says after the hand, very important.

enjoy

YouTube - Phil Hellmuth helps Daniel Negreanu amazing poker

I really don't see it at all.... Just a good laydown

Believe it or not.. not all the pros are colluding, boomboom. Not sure why every single one of your posts are about pros "colluding".

http://www.cardschat.com/f53/tom-dwa...elezra-162759/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/tom-dwan-phil-ivey-eli-elezra-162759/)

http://www.cardschat.com/f53/kenny-t...i-sick-155830/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/kenny-tran-tom-dwan-esfandiari-sick-155830/)

EDIT: I see why.. they're your videos that you posted on youtube.. and you want views. How nice. Pointless posts.

let me tell you something... if you were a pro would you want to know how to spot collusion? You would study it a lot, and be comfortable around situations you might think people are cheating.. So believe it or not, phil hellmuth and the rest of the pros know how to collude. They definitely know. Especially the bellagio regulars. So I'm glad we agree they are capable of it. Now all you have to do is stop trolling and enjoy my videos, and maybe think a bit harder. I don't care if there is no views. I'm just putting my video up for people to see. peace

Your vid? - its Poker After Dark

I have seen the whole show and Daniel was playing really tight the whole game, and with a raise of 1,800 re-raised to 6,000 (by Ferguson - also tight) holding only JJ you dont need any tells to let you know you could be beat there

Yeah. I dont think he could see the KKs. It was just a good lay down. Its easy to lose with JJs. Negreanu did it well, hes a very good pro.

What collusion are you talking about man?
He doesn't even look at negreanu??

No collusion there, although I do believe there is collusion in the large cash games.

Good catch.....lolspammercalledoutaments

thats a toughy right there.. im not really sure.. but it did certainly look like he could see or he could tell something..

I wouldn't have even brought it up if every single post that you make wasn't about fake colluding that doesn't even exist in the videos.

Mortis>OP

All I can say is what a vivid imagination you have!!! Do you also see alien landings?

One of Negreanu's best abilities as a poker player is him being able to know what his opponents cards are. Sometimes he makes a bad call even after he tells the person what they are holding. So, Negreanu makes a very good call and folds his pocket jacks (and you have to take into account it is Ferguson who re-raised) and you call it collusion? I bet he wouldn't have mucked the JJ if it had been Ivey or Hellmuth or even Doyle, but against a tight player like Ferguson, he knew he was probably beat. Listen to the video. Hellmuth tried to trap Ferguson but Ferguson mucked his hand. Ferguson is a very tight player.

You either have way too much time on your hands or you are doing way too many drugs. "Normal" people do not see what you are seeing in these videos you post.

Mort did his homework....again....good catch mort..ive clicked on the past 3 or 4 threads he has made and never caught on that it was the same OP.

posting your own videos to get views..is that spamming?

um. i don't get it... He made a passive but good fold, wheres the collusion.

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I agree,to many collusion post and Ive havnt agreed with any of them




Snow

I watched the vid several times.

How you can suggest that Helmuth saw Fergesons hand, I just don't get.

I also see nothing that would make me think that Helmuth was trying to
communicate with Daniel in any way.

Further, you are accusing two people of some pretty serious cheating.

You should think twice before you make such spurious allegations on a internet forum, or anywhere else.

I can't say I know either of the men, but I bet that they both have a level of integrity that would preclude the kind of thing you are suggesting and would take quite an offense to being accused of it.

LOL i seriously doubt either player would put their careers on the line in a cash game with some of the best pros in the world that would be more likely to catch someone colluding. besides there some of the best at what they do and have plenty of money to go around if they so choose. so really why even risk it for 6k. it was a simple laydown in my book

In all my videos it's obviously not about the money, but about the game. That's what the high stakes games are about, since it is more about the "chess" of it all, as opposed to the money. Haven't you ever seen Patrik Antonius fold to a $2k bet after 5 minutes of thinking to Phil ivey, when they both have a $100,000 stack. haha there is nothing worse than being wrong... Look guys I know a lot of you disagree with me, but I don't mean any harm, I don't want to cause trouble. I am just putting some videos up. You dont have to click on my posts any more if you think I'm come crazy maniac.. Deal? I'm happy to read through all your comments because I do take it all in - i love seeing things from a different perspective. Try keep it positive, with rational arguments.

as far as the video:

the key to this video is when hellmuth takes off his sunglasses for a drink. You will notice he quickly looks at daniel, then away from the table.

I also mention how it is important to try and go into Phil's mind after the hand. If you know some stuff about psychology you will notice a few things about his disposition and his tone. Like he is showing off. And teasing Daniel about "how good he apparently is".. but what he really is saying is.. LOLZ YOU GOT HELP FROM ME. if you know what I mean.

peace

[quote=boomboom;1321430] In all my videos it's obvious that I am imagining things and I hope to convince someone else of my nonsense, {Quote}





FYP


Snow

quote:"The reason is: he saw Chris Ferguson's hand"
huh, what ? how? no way did he see chris's cards. where or why, how can you make that claim? sry i don't see it.

fyp

Sorry Boomboom, I just can't see it.

Phil can not see Chris Ferguson's hand, when you get reraised with Jacks your best folding them... I do not think he would make the F-up call i did with jacks, ran in to kings...

i cant see it at all,daniel is probably number 1 when it comes to tells,laydowns.maybe he saw something that chris did.just very good play i reckon.

Actually in 'most' circumstances the call here (or actually re-shove over) would be an easy one (it's a winner-take-all format which affects things alot, ALSO, he's short and has got a chunk invested in the hand, only part of Chris's range he's behind is the big pr.... BUT.. .read on...). Reason why it wasn't so easy in this particular hand was based on 'meta game' (as touched on above by beardyian)... Daniel had opted to change his approach on this particular PokerAfterDark (he's usually raising pretty light and is playing LOTS of hands, especially in early levels). In this particulat PAD he chose to play uber-tight. With Chris realizing this, and Daniel realizing that Chris is realizing this... it makes for an easy laydown (aside from the 'looks', the 'tone of voice', 'sunglasses' etc.... incidentally... those kind of tells are tells for the rookies... pros will be sending out numerous tells, or intentional tells. Also, the tells the more experienced, seasoned pros are looking for, are way beyond simply 'tone of voice' and 'certain stares'. To gain a marginally better understanding of this, try reading some of Navarro's articles. Plus... these guys know each other soooo well that you have to keep that in mind. The thinking going on is above level1 or level2 and hearing stuff simplified here is kinda funny imo.
Keep posting 'your' vids boomboom...seems to be getting some discussion happening.

Got it, thanks.
I'm working on thinking, like the pros do.
Daniel did a great play there, only if i did the same thing, i would not of lost haft my stack... But i did come out to win, i may have to post some of my hands, from my HU to get some feed back on them, even tho i won, i think it could help out to post them...

BoomBoom, keep spamming like that, and you will never get on the Freeroll list, but do keep the vids coming, i get an lol out of them every time.

I didn't see any collusion...

How about Ferguson making such an amateur mistake like looking at his hand w/ Hellmuth still to act?

There is no way he could have seen his cards, Danny almost knows what people are holding. I have seen him tell people what they are holding in their hands he is great at that.

Yeah its definately collusion because Phil Hellmuth would never fold A6 to a raise lol. C'mon dude all that happened here was Danny picked up Chris' cards and Phil picked Daniels.

Phil Hellmouth showing off???????

Dude!, Your imagination has turned decidedly delusional.........

I watched it twice before reading the responses because I thought I somehow missed and and wasted 2 more min of my life. I am sure Mike was joking when he said I see your hand and Daniel had a good read and made a good laydown. Folding JJ to a pf raise is easy.

Glad I read this first. Now I refuse to click the video and give this schmuck the YouTube views he wants.

you certainly know how to use yours

how in the %$#%$ was hellmuth supposed to have seen fergusons hand ?

I watched the vid a couple of times in fullscreen...ferguson has both hands protecting his cards when he looks at them ...no possible way for hellmuth to have seen them

as for the comments hellmuth makes after the hand.... absolutely nothing there either

you're just plain delusional (or maybe it's collusional in your case)




(actually, you're right....... it was collusion...and we're all involved in a massive conspiracy to cover it up...
in fact,...this whole site, as well as nearly all other online poker forums were created as a pre-emptive measure so that the few of you "in the know" wouldn't create your own forums to expose this collusion)