Out of curiousity, what do you believe qualifies as a bad beat?

A/big vs A/little and he spikes the little? Percentage amount - 80-20, 70-30? Would you call a cold deck (KK vs QQ) a bad beat? What about a hand where you have it 100% won, and they hit a three outer to split? Does it have to come on the river, or the turn as well (or even flop)? Can it count as a bad beat if you get it in after the card has hit?

Just interested. Seems like, as I am sure is the same with everybody, that I lose a lot of hands where I am ahead. What would you qualify as a bad beat?

Great Question. No correct answer. I think you will find out that the definition is based on the player's interpretation. Can be 51-49 or 99-1. I think it's relative to the emotional state of a player. My interpretation has been changing with time. They all used to all be bad. I now clasify them as the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

Just sit down on a 25NL cap at Full Tilt and you'll know in no time, lol. Usually I don't even notice one or two bad beats, I'm numb to them....it's when I lose 5 to 10 70/30's 80/20's and 90/10's in a row that I start realizing I'm getting bad beated...lol. Usually happens at least once or twice a day on Full Tilt, nothing new. That's why I lol when someone posts losing one 60/40 or a 70/30 in the bad beats section.

I think for me I would actually ask what is NOT a bad beat. I see it so often especially on ftp that I just had a bad beat when they have gone all in on two suited cards and missed the flush or gone all in pre flop with pp2's( a personal bug), or the one I like the best is ftp is rigged! A bad beat for me is when I am playing solid poker and I get called by a lame hand or get pushed all in from a sizeable raise by a player with the like of 24 os and they hit!! But that is MHO!

From my perspective a bad beat = a very strong hand losing to an even stronger one, for example:

http://www.cardschat.com/f46/just-my-luck-today-168837/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f46/just-my-luck-today-168837/)

Anything else may be qualify as a suck out (inferior hand beating a heavily-favored hand)

Whether bad beat or suck out...it's still an 'ouch' when one is on the receiving end .

I am liking how Tonawanda differentiates between the Good, the Bad, & the Ugly though.

anytime I lose when I think I should win which is all the time or
AA cracked
set over set
FH over FH cant ever get away from a FH
anytime villian gets runner-runner to steal an all-in big pot
when my TPTK gets beat LOL

i believe it is the situation that determines a bad beat more than the actual hand, a small bad beat going out in the bubble of a tournament is worse that going out with a really bad beat early on
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I think a bad-beat is a 90/10 or better situation on the flop and you still lose by the river..

Example: Had stacks in on the flop and I had 99 vs villian AK. FLOP: 39K. Turn A, River K.

70/30 or 80/20 60/40 are NOT bad beats. If they were bad beats, then EVERYTIME you drew to a flush you BAD BEAT someone..

Or EVERYTIME you hit a set, it's a bad beat... Those aren't bad beats, just variance.

I guess you can call 90/10 or 95/5 on the flop and lose by the river, super-variance. lol

a bad beat is when AAAJJ gets beat and both hole cards are in play.


or just a super strong hand gets beats. having pocket AA cracked is not a bad beat

A bad beat = something.

For instance - I have QTs the flop comes QT5r. I bet, get raised, re-raise all in. Villain has AA. Turn and river are both 2. Our villain had two aces, and three fives to come ahead on the turn. And our villain had two aces, three fives, and three deuces on the river. (~26)

Bad beat - I have KQ of spades. Flop comes As,Js,Tc. I bet, get raised, shove all in. Villain shows over AcTd. Turn comes Th, River comes Ts. I win $10,000 at the Bike, villain wins $20,000. Table share is $10,000 split 7 ways.

Everybody is happy.

I have 99. Flop is 962r. I check, villain bets, I raise, he shoves, I call. He shows over A6 - Turn and river are both A.

I cry.

Bad beats don't exist, we think they do but they don't.

why is it only a bad beat if you loose?

FTW

i agree with iamthepush thats what i think a bad beat is and getting beat because you get your aa beat isnt a bad beat just bad luck

There is really no correct answer here...but great question!I could think of 100 diffrent combinations that would qualify but in all honesty a bad beat is exactly what it is a bad beat.From getting riverd to having your aces cracked with some bs.It's all sickning but just as natural in poker as a human being learning to walk upright!

No such thing as a bad beat. It's all just poker.

If my aces or kings get cracked when I'm all in preflop against a smaller pocket pair thats pretty bad to me. Postflop I've had some sick runner runners where my opponents got straights or flushes. Runner-runner or 2 outters postflop are bad beats imo. Its all just variance though.

Strictly from my point of view:

A Good Beat is when I (we) finally put a beat (not a suckout when its us) on the villan.

A Bad Beat is all the times we get beat.

An Ugly beat is one that puts my computer in jeopardy.

Bad beat is lower straight flush being beaten by the royal spiking on the river. Yum.

Problem with a lot of people thinking that they have Bad Beats is when they play the hand badly and allow people who shouldn't be in the hand to outdraw you...

EG.. You have AA on the Button and make a min raise... The BB is more than likely to call you and when it comes down 57J and you make a huge raise to find out that they have 57o ... you cannot complain that this is a bad beat. You should have made him fold PreFlop..

But.. It does happen and I have lost (and also won) one and two outers in ring games... So what? if you are practising Bankroll management properly then it makes no difference as you are expecting to both hit and and Miss the "beats"

Aces cracked
AK vs AQ and lower
Set over Set
AA vs. KK (just plain sucks)

well to me a bad beat is anytime i lose. lol nah really it all depends on who is calling me and whith what they have. i say true bad beats are if u have any higher pair than your opponent and they get either a set or catch like a flush or something. a bad beat is when u got some one crushed at the preflop and they catch cards to beat. such as having AA and your ooponent has KK and hits K on the river for a nice pot.

my opinion on bad beats are the hands u are like 90% or higher to win and u end up losing. it all depends also like if u had AA preflop u only call and let people fish for there cards, they hit trips n such. That would be bad play not bad beat. So yes basicly on hands that u suppose to win are bad beats for me

bad beats would be losing every hand or 80% or more hands u pllay.

If we are being serious about bad beats then we have to say in online poker there aren't really bad beats just another player who is willing foolishly as the case may be to put his money in the middle. I would actually prefer to call them moments from the twilight zone!!

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^^ that is a bad beat

Somebody thats in a big pot against you that has no business being in it and spikes a 1 or 2 outer. Seem to see this way too much in micro stakes.

lol I like the Good, the Bad and the Ugly philosophy of Tonowanda myself.... Good when quads beat your FH or similar better hand beating your good hand, Bad when your AA get cracked with KK hitting a set, and Ugly when some donk hits a st8 or flush on river and beats you and should never have been in the hand to begin with.

...think imo, genreally if a guy hits runner runner straight or runner runner same card (pocket 9's against set k's, hit 9 9 for quads)...things that are like very unfortunate...runner runner flsh cards arent reall that bad..i think its rouglhy 23 to 1 so a little over 4%, mayb could classify it..but i think 2 outers are bad beats, and when the guy does hit his 9 on turn fllowed by 9 on river, as leatherass says in his video, its time to get a new monitor..

Personally I think a hand I win, or lose, on the river with a 2 or 3 outer is certainly a bad beat. Not as bad as runner runner straight, boat or quads to beat the next best hand, but bad enough to qualify in my book. To me the worst bad beat is when the board post quads and some A rag beats a boat like after QQ connects on a Q7777 board.

By the way, to those who say there are no bad beats, what does that really mean? Are you saying that the term itself shouldn't exist? Seems a little too esoteric for my simple mind to comprehend.

With a bit of experience you get to experience various types of badbeat. I've had KK lose to A-rag because Quad boards, i've spiked a set with AA only to lose to runner runner to make quads. I've got to the point now where losing 60/40's and even 80/20's don't really affect me as much as previously, it happens from time to time.

I'd class a badbeat as any runner runner, any 3-outer or less and also when someone means to hit with a flush or straight and instead hits with a backdoor.

I cannot believe the amount of "poker players" that cannot describe a bad beat. It is when you are a HUGE FAVOURITE to win a hand WHEN ALL THE MONEY has gone into the pot and villain COMES FROM BEHIND to beat you.

AA vs KK or set over set is not a bad beat, it is called a cooler.

When your QT goes all in pre flop against AA and you flop Q-T-T and an ace spikes the river. You did not receive a bad beat, the AA almost did. But the AA was ahead when all the money went in.

Here is a real bad beat:

You hold AA
Your opponent has KK

The board comes AAKK and the river is a K (yeah 5 kings). That's a bad beat.

Everything else is just poker.

Bad beats generally are not determined by the cards you lost with. They are generally determined by how much money or opportunity you lost with the cards that you were playing. It could be AA vs 24s all in PF and they flop a straight to knock you out of a tourney. It could be you get it all in for $100 on the flop with a straight while taking away odds against a flush draw, you get called and they spike one their outs to hit their flush. Any time you get it in with the best hand at the moment, you run the risk of having a bad beat.

yeah i must agree with u on this one. u do want those players to call when u are way ahead. its just the luck of the draw when they hit.