Is online poker rigged??? An investigation!

No offence but this stupid coment deserves my stupid reply.

Personally getting a little burned out on this topic. After a post like Phlegm Wad if you still support online poker %100 ,you either know something you want kept secret, or just working these forums for the casino. or both? Think Ill start a new topic on that Card Swap program If i cant find one already here.

for those who are to late to join this topic and dident bother reading all the posts its on page 4

I've seen a lot of these threads, and have in the past had my own issues with bad beats etc., but just don't believe that the random nature of hands is any different from real live games.

There is a show on tv here (on GSN) called High Stakes Poker. This is a live game played over several days every year for the past few years, involving most of the top players - Brunson x 2, Hansen, Negreanu, Forrest, Farha, Elezra, etc. etc. It is great tv, and totally different from tournament games. When these guys bet $50,000 it is real money, sometimes in chips, but also wads of cash.

Anyway, Daniel Negreanu lost a bundle last year. Some say it was close to $1 mill. I saw some of his beats, and they were brutal. Several times he flopped the nuts, only to lose on the turn or river, to a higher straight, flush or full house.

The worst beat he had was against Gus Hansen. They started with pocket 6s for Negreanu, pocket 5s for Hansen. The flop came 5, 6, x. So it is trip 6s vs trip 5s. Bad for Hansen. Big bet and a big call. Turn was the case 5. Negreanue makes the full house, but Hansen has quads.

That hand ended up with Hansen all-in. Pot value was over $600k. If that was on-line, a lot of people would say it was rigged, but that can and does happen in live games - it is just that on-line, there are so many more hands and often many more people in each hand. What did PS have yesterday - the 10 billionth hand? How long would that take in a live game?????!!!!!!!

yeah after reading that post with 100% random rambling and 0% actual proof i guess we all should be convinced.

Is burned out making 3 posts in it within 45 min of waking up?? lol

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^LOL, exactly.

I really can't believe what some of these posters come up with. I'm torn between laughter and complete disbelief at some of these posts. I just hate it when all these people that are posting that online poker is rigged, keep playing "rigged" poker. They just have to be the some of the most generous philanthropists in the world, just giving their money away when they know its "rigged."

Im not reading all that either,I do belive bots are used at some sites personally.So just be aware!!

Knew I was going out, but figured Id be out kicked. Im glad its not rigged though. I mean, Id hate to see rigged. If it were rigged, I guess they would all hit straight flushes.

> Game # 1,401,741,029 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(10c As )
> Gypsy416 folded
> plio79 called for 50
> Mr_Forshaga called for 50
> teddymihu called for 50
> stoneagekyus raised for 300
> YiiK folded
> frtkkk folded
> senks folded
> jerras folded
> aivosalaatti folded
> plio79 folded
> Mr_Forshaga called for 250
stoneagekyus> outkicked for sure
> teddymihu went all-in for 2,095.76 (4 4)
> stoneagekyus went all-in for 915.61
> Mr_Forshaga called for 1,845.76 (A 8) oops got him oops no I dont.
> Dealing the Flop(7h 5d 6h )
> Dealing the turn(3s )
> Dealing the river(9h )
> Mr_Forshaga wins 5,632.13 with a Straight, Nine high
> stoneagekyus has left the tournament in 2162nd place
> teddymihu has left the tournament in 2161st place
> agfagf123 sit

now I really believe in your rigged theory, just looked at what happened here:

PokerStars Game #10061233308: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/05/23 - 02:18:40 (ET)
Table 'Almaak V' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: ToTo4LiFe ($6.96 in chips)
Seat 2: vonhowdy ($4.97 in chips)
Seat 3: 2003shaker ($4.48 in chips)
Seat 4: ILikeWit ($1.53 in chips)
Seat 5: walden46 ($3.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Orion469 ($4.46 in chips)
Seat 7: See_Kneel ($1.92 in chips)
Seat 8: Bukowski63 ($3.40 in chips)
Seat 9: CowboyBeBop5 ($1.13 in chips)
See_Kneel: posts small blind $0.01
Bukowski63: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [Kd Kc]
CowboyBeBop5: folds
ToTo4LiFe: folds
vonhowdy: folds
2003shaker: calls $0.02
ILikeWit: folds
walden46: calls $0.02
Orion469: raises $0.06 to $0.08
See_Kneel: folds
Bukowski63: folds
2003shaker: folds
walden46: calls $0.06
*** FLOP *** [Kh Ks 4h]-I'm now conviced
walden46: checks
Orion469: checks
*** TURN *** [Kh Ks 4h] 9♥
walden46: checks
Orion469: checks
*** RIVER *** [Kh Ks 4h 9h] Q♠
walden46: bets $0.02
Orion469: raises $0.08 to $0.10
walden46: calls $0.08
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Orion469: shows [Kd Kc] (four of a kind, Kings)
walden46: mucks hand
Orion469 collected $0.41 from pot
walden46 said, "vnh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.41 | Rake $0
Board [Kh Ks 4h 9h Qs]
Seat 1: ToTo4LiFe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: vonhowdy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: 2003shaker folded before Flop
Seat 4: ILikeWit folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: walden46 mucked [Jc Tc]
Seat 6: Orion469 (button) showed [Kd Kc] and won ($0.41) with four of a kind, Kings
Seat 7: See_Kneel (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Bukowski63 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: CowboyBeBop5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Look at this one, must be rigged also:

PokerStars Game #10061986727: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/05/23 - 04:12:07 (ET)
Table 'Almaak V' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: wildcard203 ($2.77 in chips)
Seat 2: mausbaer ($2.89 in chips)
Seat 3: nukite ($1.98 in chips)
Seat 4: BlondyANGEL1 ($1.94 in chips)
Seat 5: newbmofo ($5.04 in chips)
Seat 6: Orion469 ($3.26 in chips)
Seat 7: freedyflash ($1.71 in chips)
Seat 8: lekkerkipje ($4.02 in chips)
Seat 9: ionut_steaua ($2.44 in chips)
nukite: posts small blind $0.01
BlondyANGEL1: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [2h Kh]
newbmofo: calls $0.02
Orion469: calls $0.02
freedyflash: folds
lekkerkipje: calls $0.02
ionut_steaua: folds
wildcard203: calls $0.02
mausbaer: folds
nukite: calls $0.01
BlondyANGEL1: checks
*** FLOP *** [7h 5s 6h]
nukite: checks
BlondyANGEL1: checks
newbmofo: checks
Orion469: bets $0.04
lekkerkipje: calls $0.04
wildcard203: calls $0.04
nukite: folds
BlondyANGEL1: folds
newbmofo: calls $0.04
*** TURN *** [7h 5s 6h] 3♦
newbmofo: checks
Orion469: bets $0.10
lekkerkipje: calls $0.10
wildcard203: folds
newbmofo: calls $0.10
*** RIVER *** [7h 5s 6h 3d] [Th]
newbmofo: checks
Orion469: bets $0.10
lekkerkipje: calls $0.10
newbmofo: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Orion469: shows [2h Kh] (a flush, King high)
lekkerkipje: mucks hand
Orion469 collected $0.78 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.78 | Rake $0
Board [7h 5s 6h 3d Th]
Seat 1: wildcard203 folded on the Turn
Seat 2: mausbaer (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: nukite (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: BlondyANGEL1 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: newbmofo folded on the River
Seat 6: Orion469 showed [2h Kh] and won ($0.78) with a flush, King high
Seat 7: freedyflash folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: lekkerkipje mucked [Ac Ah]
Seat 9: ionut_steaua folded before Flop (didn't bet)

And finally here:

PokerStars Game #10061534365: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/05/23 - 02:59:15 (ET)
Table 'Almaak V' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ToTo4LiFe ($5.39 in chips) -loves to slowplay
Seat 2: vonhowdy ($4.14 in chips)
Seat 3: brothercraig ($2.09 in chips)
Seat 4: ScareyGirl ($4.98 in chips)
Seat 5: Scheiwa ($1.06 in chips)
Seat 6: Orion469 ($5.01 in chips)
Seat 7: See_Kneel ($3.70 in chips)
Seat 8: Bukowski63 ($3.17 in chips)
Seat 9: ionut_steaua ($2.76 in chips)
ScareyGirl: posts small blind $0.01
Scheiwa: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [Kh Kd]
Orion469: raises $0.06 to $0.08
See_Kneel: folds
Bukowski63: calls $0.08
ionut_steaua: folds
ToTo4LiFe: calls $0.08
vonhowdy: folds
brothercraig: folds
ScareyGirl: calls $0.07
Scheiwa: calls $0.06
*** FLOP *** [5d 8h As]
ScareyGirl: checks
Scheiwa: checks
Orion469: bets $0.06
Bukowski63: folds
ToTo4LiFe: calls $0.06
ScareyGirl: folds
Scheiwa: calls $0.06
*** TURN *** [5d 8h As] J♣
Scheiwa: checks
Orion469: checks
ToTo4LiFe: checks
*** RIVER *** [5d 8h As Jc] Q♠
Scheiwa: checks
Orion469: checks
ToTo4LiFe: bets $0.32
Scheiwa: folds
Orion469: folds
ToTo4LiFe collected $0.58 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.58 | Rake $0
Board [5d 8h As Jc Qs]
Seat 1: ToTo4LiFe collected ($0.58)
Seat 2: vonhowdy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: brothercraig (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ScareyGirl (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Scheiwa (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: Orion469 folded on the River
Seat 7: See_Kneel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Bukowski63 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: ionut_steaua folded before Flop (didn't bet)

See this last hand Iknowthetruth, I folded, and do you know why...DISIPLINE....learn it, you will lose far less $ this way, you have to remember the level your playing at is probably micros( just by looking at what you opponents are playing and how often you post bad beats here) and the players at that level just plain suck and will keep any two cards as long as the cards are suited, connected and even A-rag so all you have to be is cautious.
BTW, your the reason why female poker players get no respect at the tables, and if your wondering how I know your female, well......just don't worry about that.

my only comment, is that why on the river so much? i mean seriously,

Not rigged, but if i was to pick a side, i would pick the side that says it is somehow geared towards the river card, so as to get that extra round of betting in on the turn

This is poker its gambling every time you put your money in there is a risk of losing it thats why people play, if there wern't bad beats it wouldn't be poker. The reason alot of people complain about these bad beats is they are so willing to put all their chips in a pot as a 60/40 favorite and get amazed when they lose, wait until a better time to put your money in and I'm sure you'll have more favorable results next time.

How often do you people play live poker there are bad beats and amazing hands there as well in a 10 hour span last Saturday me and a friend of mine witnesed 2 4 of a kinds 1 royal flush 1 straight flush and 5 cracked Aces and those are just the hands shown/played out. The reason people complain about it more/notice it more is the amount of people that play online and the misconception of poker based on TV programs.

Do you all also believe the NBA draft lottery was rigged? Portland had a 5% chance to get the #1 pick and low and behold they got it, Memphis had a 50% chance to get a #1 or 2 pick and they'll be picking 4th these things happen...

WHAT THE HELL IS A CARD SWAP PROGRAM??

Unless you can post a hand history where your opponent was drawing dead and somehow won, the other histories you post won't prove anything about online poker being rigged - they'll just make you look like more of an idiot.

Now what would I do without you good people setting me straight and telling me its not rigged? See the two calls? See their cards? See the flop? See the RANDOMNESS? Both donkey calls flop two pairs, shit, I couldnt place this flop down myself any better than this RANDOM RNG did, could I?

> Game # 1,403,153,227 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(Jc Ac )
> stephberg called for 20
> TheRattler folded
> shall2005111, you have 10 seconds to respond
> shall2005111 folded
> ackemrann folded
> HardlyWorkin folded
> stoneagekyus raised for 80
> przemol folded
> charles111 folded
> txevans called for 70 (J,10)
> gtuck folded
> stephberg called for 60 (10,4)
> Dealing the Flop(Jd 10d 4c ) Random my ass.
> txevans checked
> stephberg bet for 20
> stoneagekyus raised for 160
> txevans raised for 300
> stephberg called for 280
> stoneagekyus called for 140
> Dealing the turn(8s )
> txevans went all-in for 600
> stephberg went all-in for 620
> stoneagekyus called for 620
> Dealing the river(Jh )
> stoneagekyus wins 40 with Three of a Kind, Jacks and kicker card Ace
> txevans wins 2,960 with a Full House, Jacks full of Tens
> stephberg has left the tournament in 6449th place


Now, I called this raise because I know its rigged. And I knew I would win the hand. Its NOT rocket science. And I did this while posting here the above hand. This is how it happens, EVERY SINGLE NIGHT at Microgaming.

> Game # 1,403,168,444 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(2d 7h )
> przemol folded
> charles111 folded
> txevans folded
> gtuck folded
> olsandman raised for 60
> Chemsh folded
> ackemrann folded
> HardlyWorkin folded
> stoneagekyus called for 30
> Dealing the Flop(7s 3h 2c )
> gil41 sits down
> stoneagekyus went all-in for 760
> olsandman folded
> stoneagekyus wins 895
> stoneagekyus posted small blind (15)
> przemol posted big blind (30)
> Game # 1,403,169,000 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(7c Kh )

sorry we cant talk about that

I already have 2 negative points . im on thin ice
I wrote a topic on it card swap cheating software

lool wont take you long im sure to get the big hammer down on you

That was super rigged. How come the Sixers, who had an 0.70% chance of getting the 1st pick, didn't get it? We wanted Oden and didn't get him. With 0.70%, it was a lock. Didn't happen.

RIGGED. Lol, just my opinion.

Unless you can post a hand history where your opponent was drawing dead and somehow won, the other histories you post won't prove anything about online poker being rigged - they'll just make you look like more of an idiot.

Jesus you people are thick skulled. I need 1 million hands to prove its rigged, but you all only need 5 or 6 free roll hand histories to know for certain that I could never ever possibly ever make any money playing poker. Sklansky, whom I surmise is a better player than ALL OF YOU HERE, has said, you have a 32% chance to hit ANY PAIR on the flop. Therefore, when I HIT EVERY FLOP, I know something is wrong. Ok, I sometimes miss a flop completely, but then all you need to know is every one else in the hand has hit the flop. I DONT GIVE A SHIT HOW THE HAND IS PLAYED.
If you cannot see that online poker is juiced to create action hands, then I can only imagine how much money you lose on live tables folding your trips.
Im certainly glad you all took time out of your busy lives to come here and defend online poker, which NONE of you know for certain is NOT rigged. I mean, I know I scour the internet looking for rigged posts so I can jump in and tell the post writer how shitty a player he is. But, I understand that just because the hand wasnt played 100% by the book, that doesnt mean that your only opponent will hit running cards to beat your flopped trips that you are trying to slow play.
You all have NO idea how much cash Ive lost on final tables to idiots who push their tens when I have kings, and flop their damn miracles. Now if I call with kings and he has aces, ok so be it, thats alright.
All Im asking for is a 100% random game. And that is not what online poker gives you.

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lol, I'm a celtics fan I thought for sure we'd be getting Oden or Durant figured Oden fit in better with our ugliest team in the league format...

Won 2 bucks in the free roll, so took it onto a cash table. 6 seater. Very first hand I get. Now I believe I raise my ace, so Im wondering what the house player put me on pre flop. Cause it looks as though with the raise he puts and the hand he has, he seems PRETTY DAMN SURE OF HIMSELF, DOESNT HE?

> Game # 1,403,426,937 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(7h Ac )
> stefan5, you have 10 seconds to respond
> stefan5 checked
> yanglei folded
> stoneagekyus bet for $0.30
> lynnskee folded
> huangshang folded
> immimp raised for $1.61 (JQ)
> stefan5 folded
> stoneagekyus went all-in for $1.60
> immimp called for $0.29
> Dealing the Flop(6s 6h Qc )
> Dealing the turn(Jh )
> Dealing the river(5d )
> stoneagekyus shows One Pair, Sixes, with kicker card Ace
(6s 6h Ac Qc Jh )
> immimp shows Two Pair, Queens over Jacks
(Qc Qs Jh Jd 6s )
> immimp wins $3.90 with Two Pair, Queens over Jacks
> immimp posted small blind ($0.05)
> stefan5 posted big blind ($0.10)
stoneagekyus> wow what a ****ing farce
> stoneagekyus, you have 5 seconds to respond
> stoneagekyus is sitting out the current game

LO AND BEHOLD, AFTER RE RAISING MY RAISE WITH JACK QUEEN, LITTLE JOHNNY HOUSE PLAYER JUST HAPPENS TO HIT TWO PAIRS. ISNT THAT A SURPRISE?

You cant call re-raises like that with A7 and expect to win long term. You'll more than likely be way behind, and if you are a head, it's the standard 60/40 chance. You'll have to work that out before you'll become a successful player.

Edit - it's actually 55/45. I dont think poker sites are really going to employ people to rip off $2 from people like you.

Jesus.

Generic advice to micro limit players that fear that a site is rigged:

Stop playing there.

There are plenty of sites that I'm comfortable playing at, and I've paid a little over $10k of rake so far this year. I'm, I presume, a major customer for these sites. If they did stuff that would make me question their integrity, they would lose out on that particular $10k profit, and presumably many others with me would go the same way.

Risking that I may sound elitist, but: It does not make sense for them to risk losing my ten thousand dollars to take your two dollars. And if you claim that they're rigging it to "juice the rake" you're not understanding that most every pot at the higher stakes gets maxed out in rake no matter what cards are dealt. They don't need AA vs a hand that miraculously hits two pair on the river, all they need is a blind battle between J8o and Q6s where one of them hits a pair on the flop.

I hate myself for posting in this thread again, but it's like scratching an itch.

you're not very good at poker.

The hand where he calls a raise with 72o and then complains about it being rigged, is either the dumbest thing I've ever read, or the most beautiful parody.

invisi+rep

Go ask your sponsors to get you a tutor. Actually better yet don't ask them, don't let them watch you play, and don't show them hand histories. Even your invisi-sponsor will be dropping you.

So happy you are all here to convince me online poker isnt rigged. See arpino there? He got all those chips by going all in every time. I suppose its only coincidence that he hit every flop, right? Course he missed this one, but that doesnt matter when you are in the pre determined chair, does it?

> Game # 1,405,151,545 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(Kh As )
> RaiseEmHigh folded
> stevera called for 30
> ivantenev78 called for 30
> poiuytred folded
> brider39 folded
> arpino raised for 60
> stoneagekyus raised for 270
> don4i4i folded
> VikasM74 folded
> gabbahey folded
> stevera went all-in for 410 (K-10)
> ivantenev78 folded
> arpino went all-in for 4,375 (9-10)
> stoneagekyus went all-in for 630
> Extra chips returned to arpino, 3,535
> Dealing the Flop(6d 2h 8c )
> Dealing the turn(Qs )
> Dealing the river(10h )
stevera wins 1,395 with One Pair, Tens and kicker card King
> arpino wins 920 with One Pair, Tens
> stoneagekyus has left the tournament in 3485th place

Last post due to the fact most of you cant read. I call a raise with 2-7 and then flop two pairs, and I called with that hand because I knew it would catch, does that compute? Then I post it here and johnny cant read makes a comment.
When you intentionally call a raise with a shit hand, knowing your hand will win, thats called NON RANDOM. THATS WHY I CALLED WITH THE 2-7, TO PROVE A POINT.
This has been fun. And remember, ONLINE POKER IS 100% RIGGED FOR ACTION. ESPECIALLY MICROGAMING.

invisi-sponsor.

Betcha 10 bucks I out-sponsor you. LOL. Oh look, he posted 10 free roll hand histories, oh my god, he cant play, look at that, oh my god, how dare he oh my god. You suck at poker, oh my god, 10 hands, look at that, my god, you are bad, oh yes, here is our response to you saying its rigged, oh my god, you cant play. We all know for a fact, we have proof, its not rigged. Weve seen the RNG in detail, there is no way its rigged or flawed. Why would a big company risk so much, I mean, I use to work at Enron, and they were on the up and up.
They wouldnt give up 10 grand to win your 2 dollars, my ten grand is way too special. Ultimate bet, 2 grand on the table, only one dollar raked, but oh my god they get maximum rake every time. You shoulda seen it, pocket queens vs ace nine, not me in the hand.
Oh look at the random flop, A Q 3, look at the hard raise by the trips, look at the guy whom I can only assume knows how to play he has 4 grand worth of chips in front of him. He calls the trip queens, turn is a nine, oh, of course it is, now look, he donked two pairs, but he is still beat. Oh he reraises the trip queens raise and pushes him all in. Oh , here comes the ever so random river,