Is online poker rigged??? An investigation!

If poker is rigged to favour the fish, why do you keep losing?

I have to give you credit for staying true to your conspiracy theorist ways. Not only is the poker site rigged but now the have infiltrated the forums and rigged them too. That's great, at least you are consistant.

Dear lord, is this thread still alive?

Ahhhhh, come on FP. You gotta love this, its priceless.

I think my grammy said it very clearly lol

Hugo sat down and went all in every hand. I was getting garbage, so I called with QK, and he flops trips. And he hit every other hand too, once just not enough to beat pocket kings with 3-5. Nearly though. He calmly admitted he went all in every hand since the beginning, and you can see he has 12,000 chips. But its not rigged, right? Course the QK was the only hand I got that I could play. Coincidentally, he had ace ten of course, and flops trips, but its all 100% random. Course he just goes all in every hand from the start, and leads the tournament now. Wow, he must be a really lucky guy. Commence stupid comments about how the hand was played and how its totally 100% random.

> hugo6666 sits down
> UNLEADED called for 50
stoneagekyus> raise that shit then hit it
> xxapaxx, you have 10 seconds to respond
> xxapaxx called for 50
> stoneagekyus folded
> bluffme5333 folded
> Spectir folded
> Igot2kings folded
> XeriStone called for 25
> blondtwin200 checked
> Dealing the Flop(Qd 9c 2h )
stoneagekyus> ****ing house players
> XeriStone, you have 10 seconds to respond
> XeriStone checked
> blondtwin200 checked
> UNLEADED checked
> xxapaxx bet for 200.51
Spectir> somebody's read Phil Helmuth's book
Spectir>
> XeriStone folded
natedogg920> lmao
> blondtwin200 folded
> UNLEADED folded
> xxapaxx mucked
> xxapaxx wins 400.51
> blondtwin200 posted small blind (25)
> natedogg920 posted big blind (50)
> Game # 1,393,746,861 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(8h Qd )
> hugo6666 went all-in for 13,176.56
> UNLEADED folded
> xxapaxx folded
> stoneagekyus folded
> bluffme5333 folded
> Spectir folded
> Igot2kings folded
> XeriStone folded
> blondtwin200 went all-in for 3,505
> natedogg920 folded
> Extra chips returned to hugo6666, 9,646.56
> Dealing the Flop(6c 9h Js )
> Dealing the turn(8c )
> Dealing the river(6h )
> blondtwin200 wins 7,110 with Two Pair, Kings over Sixes
> natedogg920 posted small blind (25)
> hugo6666 posted big blind (50)
> Game # 1,393,747,250 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(9h 3d )
> UNLEADED folded
> xxapaxx folded
> stoneagekyus folded
> bluffme5333 called for 50
Spectir> ???
> Spectir called for 50
natedogg920> the thing is...he called with freakin ak..*ke wtf is the problem..lol..oh well...good entertainment
> Igot2kings called for 50
> XeriStone folded
> blondtwin200 folded
> natedogg920 called for 25
> hugo6666 went all-in for 9,596.56
> bluffme5333 folded
Spectir> takes all kinds
> Spectir folded
natedogg920> yep
> Igot2kings folded
> natedogg920, you have 10 seconds to respond
natedogg920> uhhh.*go...ur not on tilt eh..lol
> natedogg920 folded
> hugo6666 wins 9,846.56
> hugo6666 posted small blind (25)
> UNLEADED posted big blind (50)
> Game # 1,393,747,965 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(Qc Ks )
natedogg920> lame
> xxapaxx folded
> stoneagekyus called for 50
> bluffme5333 called for 50
> Spectir folded
> Igot2kings called for 50
> XeriStone folded
> blondtwin200 folded
> natedogg920 folded
> hugo6666 went all-in for 9,821.56
> UNLEADED folded
> stoneagekyus went all-in for 920
> bluffme5333 folded
> Igot2kings folded
> Extra chips returned to hugo6666, 8,876.56
> Dealing the Flop(Ad Jd Ah )
> Dealing the turn(9s )
> Dealing the river(9h )
> hugo6666 wins 2,090 with a Full House, Aces full of Nines
> stoneagekyus has left the tournament in 2111st place
Spectir> ffs
> UNLEADED posted small blind (25)
> xxapaxx posted big blind (50)
> Game # 1,393,748,399 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
> bluffme5333 raised for 400
> Spectir folded
> Igot2kings folded
> XeriStone folded
> blondtwin200 folded
> natedogg920 folded
> magic58 sits down
> hugo6666 went all-in for 10,966.56
> UNLEADED folded
> xxapaxx folded
> bluffme5333 went all-in for 900
> Extra chips returned to hugo6666, 9,666.56
> Dealing the Flop(Jh 3s Ah )
> Dealing the turn(7h )
> Dealing the river(6s )
> hugo6666 wins 2,675 with a Flush, Hearts
> bluffme5333 has left the tournament in 2077th place
> The tournament is now at level 4. Blinds are now 50.00/100.00
natedogg920> totally lame
> xxapaxx posted small blind (50)
> magic58 posted big blind (100)
> Game # 1,393,748,748 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
Spectir> friggin dolt
> Spectir folded
> Igot2kings folded
> XeriStone folded
> blondtwin200 folded
> lataloche sits down
natedogg920> yep..oh well...wont last
> natedogg920, you have 10 seconds to respond
> natedogg920 folded
> hugo6666 went all-in for 12,341.56
> UNLEADED went all-in for 395
> xxapaxx folded
> magic58 folded
> Extra chips returned to hugo6666, 11,946.56
> Dealing the Flop(Qh 5s Ah )
> Dealing the turn(Jh )
> Dealing the river(As )
> hugo6666 wins 940 with Three of a Kind, Aces
> UNLEADED has left the tournament in 2052nd place
hugo6666> i have been all in every hand from start
> magic58 posted small blind (50)
> lataloche posted big blind (100)
> Game # 1,393,749,158 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
natedogg920> wow..* ur super duper lame
natedogg920> cool
Spectir> so you ARE retarded
> Spectir folded
> Igot2kings folded
> XeriStone called for 100
> blondtwin200 folded
natedogg920> lol
hugo6666> no
> natedogg920 called for 100
> hugo6666 went all-in for 12,886.56
> xxapaxx folded
> magic58 folded
hugo6666> its a dam freeroll lol
> paddy82 sits down

I'm not even gonna try to decipher that ^^^^

And if it hasn't been said yet....

This thread is rigged.

If poker is rigged to favour the fish, why do you keep losing?

Im a winning player. Free rolls I dont play quite as tightly. But everyone here seems to think they can judge my play by these hand histories, which are only here to show how EVERY GOD DAMNED PLAYER IN EVERY GOD DAMNED HAND HITS THE FLOP ONLINE.

Hey, look at the Hugo6666 thread, and tell me that is 100% random. Then Ill certify you.
I dont care what anyone thinks of my play and Id probably wipe most of them out, if it wasnt a free roll. Im only here because I dont like the fact these poker rooms get away with auditing their own cards like MICROGAMING. So basically, MICROGAMING is scott free to do WHATEVER THE HELL THEY WANT WITH THE CARDS, CORRECT? Thats not right.
Go to Microgaming and watch, and see if you see ONE hand that is won with second pair. To the showdown, you WILL NOT SEE IT.

Dude, do you play at FT or PokerStars? If so, give me you name so I can look you up.





Seriously

Oh look at this, good thing I know when to fold isnt it? I mean, wouldnt want to ever play the best hand online, would we? This is THE ONLY hand I played up to this point. Oh I know I know, its just a coincidence that they BOTH would have beaten me. Its just a coincidence the worst hand ran four straight cards and rivered a gutshot, seriously.

> Game # 1,393,881,556 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(9h Ad )
> mikaelkael folded
> stoneagekyus raised for 120
> brtb07 folded
> -VODE- called for 120
> lxdlxd went all-in for 970 KQ
> remytristan folded
> bionicsbloke folded
> gonzobet folded
> i8b4udid went all-in for 805 Yeah, right 10 5
stoneagekyus> lol
> stoneagekyus folded
> -VODE- folded
> Extra chips returned to lxdlxd, 145
> Dealing the Flop(Kc 4d 7s )
> Dealing the turn(3c )
> Dealing the river(6c )
> i8b4udid wins 1,900 with a Straight, Seven high

Now why would anyone think this is rigged? Boy, every hand I play they flop monsters, isnt it wonderful how every donkey push hits like this? But hey jokes on him I outrigged him this time. Im so glad you are all here to set me straight about how random this all is.


> Game # 1,393,924,573 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(Ah Ks )
> Zsofa folded
> Residentelvi folded
> jezups4 folded
> wessel72 folded
> stoneagekyus raised for 600 (A K)
> patatoes folded
> iwok folded
> dalavera65 folded
> Duko777 folded
> mrcepe_ went all-in for 2,865 (10-9)
> stoneagekyus called for 2,415
> Dealing the Flop(Kh 9d 10h )
> Dealing the turn(Kd )
> Dealing the river(5s )
> stoneagekyus wins 6,105 with Three of a Kind, Kings and kicker card Ace
> mrcepe_ has left the tournament in 1467th place
> Zsofa posted small blind (75)
> Residentelvi posted big blind (150)
> Game # 1,393,925,059 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(Qd 8c )
> houndz38 sits down
> jezups4 folded
> wessel72 folded
[Observer]mrcepe_> betway is so rigged <<<<<<<<<<no way?????
[Observer]mrcepe_> so boring
> stoneagekyus folded
> stoneagekyus, you have 10 seconds to respond
> patatoes folded

I'm unclear as to why "they" are rigging the freerolls?

And if "they" wanted his AT to beat your KQ, surely "they" would just let the Ace high stand up?

And finally, as a winning player, how much have you won?

> Game # 1,393,992,578 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(9s Ah )
> pl4yer1 folded
> Rubiks_mind folded
> BCR1965 folded
stoneagekyus> it is humorous isnt it
> smulanz folded
> harriee folded
> pilixers folded
> ym00923 folded
> Linaling went all-in for 2,880.89 (q-10) oh yes just what I wanted, oh look he RANDOMLY flopped two pair, wow what a lucky guy.
> stoneagekyus called for 1,880.89
> Dealing the Flop(Qd 5s 10c )
> Dealing the turn(6s )
> Dealing the river(5h )
> Linaling wins 7,761.78 with Two Pair, Queens over Tens
> stoneagekyus posted small blind (1,000)

Does he claim to be a winning player?

Wow, LOL, normally I wouldn't berate anyone on how much they have or have not won money in poker, but, this extreme case just leaves the door too far open--there's no way this guy has won any money at all in poker.

2 cent freeroll winnings aside, he will never win money at poker, with his attitude and style of play (or lack of style of any type of profitable poker play).

I just keep finding it amusing how he keeps coming back here after he said he would never post again, and he keeps on playing poker when he obv believes online poker is rigged. That's just stupid--either he loves playing "rigged poker" or he just really likes to waste his time, because you'd think if he believed it was rigged, he'd quit, instead of keep on playing "rigged poker" that just keeps on giving him mad, chaotic moments of rage. Probably not the best thing for his health.

Word of advice to "iknowthetruth," seriously, stop playing poker, or else you're going to have a heart attack.

Oops, tried to play position here, with a nice hand in position, yes? Oh look, the eighth time this tourney my suited hand has seen a flop all one suit the other color. Geez, that must be random. Oh look, he hits a four card flush, that just happens to fill my straight too, LOLOLOLOL.

Now, estelle, how would you know if Ive won money or not? You are too stupid to even see the point of my posts. Check the thread, "your best free roll finishes", and, if you like, since I dont use my Neteller anymore, Ill get you some screen shots of my poker winnings. Dont be so cynical hun.



> Game # 1,394,015,722 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(Ac 10c )
stoneagekyus> HAHAHAHQHAHAHAHAHA
> domdom, you have 10 seconds to respond
> domdom called for 4,000
> ttebag called for 4,000
> Lance_Armstr folded
> silver89 folded
> Largo123 folded
> 99glock99 folded
> ferrix1 folded
> Sektorman folded
> The tournament has entered a rest break. Play will pause at the end of this hand, and will resume in 5:00 minutes from now.
> The tournament will continue in 5:00 minute(s)
> stoneagekyus bet for 12,000
> domdom called for 12,000
> ttebag folded
> Dealing the Flop(9h 7h 6h )
> stoneagekyus bet for 4,000
> domdom called for 4,000
> Dealing the turn(5s )
> stoneagekyus bet for 4,000
> domdom called for 4,000
> Dealing the river(8h )
> stoneagekyus bet for 4,000
> domdom called for 4,000
> stoneagekyus shows a Straight, Ten high
(10c 9h 8h 7h 6h )
> domdom shows a Flush, Hearts
(Qh 9h 8h 7h 6h )
> domdom wins 62,000 with a Flush, Hearts

well it's good to hear you're not a losing freeroll player.

1) Bullshit. Please post all 8 hand histories.

2) "OMG MI BLACK CARDS GOT BEET BY YOR RED CARDS!!1!!!!!"

I dont think anyone can deny, that there are ALOT more monster hands online than live.
Everyday for the last week i have had quads on PokerStars!
In the last week ive flopped a straight flush twice on PokerStars!
In the last week ive seen two royal flushes on PokerStars!
About 5 tourneys in a row ive went out with the best hand, and guess who i lost to? obviously one of the chip leaders!

Im sorry but those sort of things just do not happen live!!

Have a good day all!!

They dont rig the free rolls, they use the same software for everything. They dont single out players, they deal action hands. They deal to chairs, which is alarmingly obvious at a place like MICROGAMING.

And finally, as a winning player, how much have you won?

I only play tourneys, Ive won quite a bit. Only small tourneys with 5-10 buy ins, and some forum sponsored stuff, and I won my sponsorship (Yes thats right I had too win my way into it, I played pretty well that day, even folded pocket tens pre flop, can you imagine, someone as bad as I am doing that?). Now dont crap yourself, Im not saying Ive won a shitload, Im up a couple grand maybe.

Dont think it really matters though, as Im not here showing I cant play, Im here showing its juiced for action. You can look at what Ive posted as a tell as to how I play, but these are only free rolls. Not quite as tight in these.

But as you know, as soon as you say rigged, its automatically because you didnt play that hand letter perfect. I mean, every hand thats ever been won at a hold em table has been played perfectly, right? I mean, if you make that one little mistake, it automatically means your opponent is going to hit that miracle, I mean thats what every one here is saying.

Whatever. I think its juiced for action, in fact, it is juiced for action, online poker. Otherwise why would thousands and thousands of people scream that something funny is going on?

- Thousands of people believe Elvis is still alive.

- Thousands of people believe the moon landings were fake.

- There are thousands of scientologists.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I agree!

I dont know how people can think the cards online are random.
But im not gonna quit if im making a profit!

If you have won money it has been from freerolls and couldn't amount to much.

(Eww - Estelle - did it feel like a bug crawled across your leg when he called you hun?)

That you think this is worthy of note, speaks volumes in itself.

Now about those 8 hand histories. Surely you wouldn't be making stuff up to back up your easily provable yet completely unsubstantiated assertions...

After a bad beat, I tend to believe it's rigged, LOL but than I end up playing again.
It's just an urban myth

My sentiments exactly, it is becoming an embarrassment to the forums but not in the way you might think. For me the embarrassing thing about it is the regularity with which members with 1000/2000/3000 and 4000 posts ( who should know better ) continually post here fueling the fire over and over again. There are about 5 of you who seem to get off on insulting anyone who dares suggest that poker sites are rigged ( havent you got something more constructive to be getting on with? ). When this thread started 10 months ago it had a decent edge to it but in recent times it has turned into more of a bashing thread then anything else. Imo its a good idea to have a thread like this, if nothing else it keeps the rest of the forums rigged post free and keeps the place clean and tidy which is always good, so why dont you just let the conspiracy theorists get on with it with maybe the odd intervention here and there rather then the current onslaught that we see now. I am beginning to see how some posters reach such high numbers if all they do is stuff like this. If on the other hand big posters dont want to read or see stuff like thats posted here, close or delete the friggin thread and save yourself the bother of having to fend off the rigging crews. Kick my azz about this if you wish, i dont really mind because at the end of the day i know what i write has some truth about it. Just remember, its one thing to keep the conspiracy theorists in a cage, but it is a completely different thing to goad prod and provoke your captives. I would hope that those who feel effected by my words act and react in a manner that shows them in a good light and not in a way that doesnt. Peace.

sarcasm? thers no sarcasm in any of my posts or any replys to my posts. dont let your heart bleed any purple piss for me honey

This thread performs a valuable social service.

That's the whole point.

Oh really??

The person you responded to was using irony and sarcasm in the combination of his signature and his pic. Did you just think that combination was random luck?

You sir, definitely do not understand sarcasm.



Best freeroll finishes? Like i said before, I will give you credit for 2 cent wins here and there, but that's about it. How do I know? Um, it's just pretty damn obv that you havn't. First off you complain too much, second off, from your HH its obv that you have no clue what you're doing, and thirdly, you just don't have the mental state to be successful in poker.

That statement speaks for itself. Pure comedy.

And if you've won a couple grand in profit playing poker, then I'll finally do the impossible and give into one of mischman's ambitious fantasies. And since we all know how impossible that is, its pretty obv, you definitely do not have a couple grand in profit from playing poker right now.

And what's up with people that are bashing me calling me "hun" or "honey," is that suppose to make me change my mind and go, ohhhh you're right, maybe poker is rigged???

I've made a program that is checking the randomness of cards.

Not doing simple stuff like counting how many times do you get AA or flop a full.I'm doing something more complex based on statistics.


...and now looking for people willing to help me test it.
I've tested it on my local 60k hands Poker Tracker database and the results are very interesting.

I'm particulary intrested to be tested on databases bigger than 100k hands. Highly important is that I would need to test on winning players databases (e.g >3PTBBs/100 hands) ...or loosing players ( < -3 PTBBs/100 hands).

Looking for some kind of patterns...

It is only working with Postgresql right now.

If anyone is interested to help please contact me on misu200@yahoo.com for further details.

Thanks,

That's interesting.

What statistical analysis are you conducting?

And is there any reason why it needs to be winning players?

I don't really want to expose all the math behind.
At least not right now.

But I can give a few keywords like:
equity,Bernoulli trials,estimator of true probability.