Is online poker rigged??? An investigation!

That sentence right there proves that yes, you are inexperienced and a novice in poker. If you're description of the hand is correct, then yes you just describe the perfect situation that shows you indeed are definitely a novice. Pathetically hilarious now.

OK, A10 does dominate A9, but you cannot be results oriented. Are you saying that when you pushed you knew that he had A9?? A10, with a raise, three calls, and then a push over the top of that--like you described in your own words--pretty much tells you that A10 is definitely not a strong, or even close to a dominant hand. You don't seem to realize this fact. You got lucky this time that he had A9, but that's just being results oriented. Most of the time, probability is that you'll be behind, and way behind, and dominated yourself, when calling a push in that situation with A10 OS. If you don't realize this, and continue to talk about situations saying that you played this hand correctly, its obv that yes you are a novice. Seriously, your hand histories aren't proving that poker is rigged, it's just proving how horribly you play and how many holes and weaknesses there are in your game.

Point, set, match.

Yes I know my game has holes, lots of them. Thats not the issue here. I called the A 10 push because he had been playing the table that way the whole time, and I was right.
Im saying the players online hit too much. Thats it. Whether I played the hand perfectly or not had no bearing on what flops. Ok, I suck, but I still know something that is not random when I see it.
And Im hardly the only person that thinks they tweak the cards. Here is what I mean. This is the first hand I looked at tonight, three way, and the guy hits a four card flush. Come on.

> Game # 1,389,557,417 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(10c As )
> stoneagekyus called for 20
> Plutufs folded
> Budah went all-in for 40
> Partizan72 folded
> Kristophe folded
> boghi24 folded
> HiddenNuts folded
> jeb99999 folded
> lanyden folded
> someplayer2 called for 20
> stoneagekyus called for 20
> Dealing the Flop(10d Kd Qd )
> someplayer2 checked
> stoneagekyus checked
> Dealing the turn(9c )
> someplayer2 checked
> stoneagekyus checked
> Dealing the river(6d )
> someplayer2 checked
> stoneagekyus checked
> Budah shows a Flush, Diamonds
(Kd Qd 10d 8d 6d )
> someplayer2 mucked
> stoneagekyus mucked
> Budah wins 130 with a Flush, Diamonds

This is what Im trying to get at. People DO NOT hit hands like this over and over again in random poker. Maybe my game blows goats, but I know what I see. And hey, if I have to use 100,000 hands to tell if its rigged, you guys should use more than 4 to decide I cant play. Taha. OK thats it from me, good luck Im gonna go play some rigged poker.

When did AK change to a 100% win in every hand?? Last time I checked AK is just AK. You seem to have the same problem many beginning/starting out players have when they first start playing poker. They get the general concept of poker, and then start playing thinking they know what they're doing. They think that any hand that is ahead preflop, or a "great" starting hand, automatically equals a win, or should equal a win. They think that if they have a hand like AK preflop, makes it so that they deserve to win. Most of the time you don't get what you deserve in poker, nothing is just given to you.

Also, how do you explain all good, or even just half-decent, online poker players that have made money and very good money (including myself) from online poker? They just must know the leak in the system? They must know how it is rigged. Maybe they're counting online poker cards?? Amazing.

Stop crying, very simple solution for you, stop playing "rigged" poker.

Poker is rigged, I just turned a 40 chip stack into a 5600 chip stack in the $3 tourney on PokerStars. Has to be rigged.

Oh I forgot, live poker is rigged too. My Q5 os got a Q against my wife's A9 HU and I won our home game. RIGGED!

wow the best hand won. how odd. you're right - it is rigged. pokerstars always has my better hand lose.

Well, you play online, how many times have you did the same to someone else? And if you say "Not as often as it has happened to me", I'll have to say "Get me a shovel, the shit is too thick in here".
You will always remember the badbeats you suffer, but tend not to remember the badbeats you inflict on others which probably happens quite often if you play all your hands the way your HHs seem to tell us.
Sure your A-10os dominated A-9, but if you really think A-10os is worth your stack buddy then think again, just last night in a freeroll a caller puts me allin when I was holding A-Kos(not a dominating hand, just an Ace high preflop) but worth an allin in a freeroll, villian turns over 59spades, 5 on the flop and 5 on the turn(OMFG, RIGGED) just a donkey playing sht and getting lucky and I see it all too often in freerolls, and youll see it too, the only difference between you and the rest of us is that we know donkeys play sht and get lucky and we accept it and move on.
You seem to dwell on the badbeats too much and seem to be on costant tilt and if thats the case youll find me on pokerstars this weekend and I'll put you in your place, like you said "anytime,anywhere" and I'll take you up, not HU though, I'll have to admit I'm weak there.
I want to really see if your worth sponsorship or is your sponsor just wasting their time with you.
My PokerStars name is Orion469, find me if you think you have the nuts buddy. Just don't waste my time with your rants.

hey guys i got AA last night and it held up against KQs so i can say without a shadow of doubt that internets poker is not rigged.

also lol @ the utg limp with AT.

edit: if it's rigged then just stop playing premium hands and start playing junk all the time. let us know how that works out.

Started a thread about this hand but seems so appropriate LOL


PokerStars Game #9955562826: Tournament #50007841, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/05/17 - 02:51:36 (ET)
Table '50007841 52' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: jfgoofy (4370 in chips)
Seat 2: Markh10 (1135 in chips)
Seat 3: jayneseo (3405 in chips)
Seat 4: themickyd (4415 in chips)
Seat 5: SJMIN (11134 in chips)
Seat 6: noah9 (11625 in chips)
Seat 7: jax3000 (1105 in chips)
Seat 8: redsox2156 (10160 in chips)
Seat 9: flyinghun (14627 in chips)
jfgoofy: posts the ante 25
Markh10: posts the ante 25
jayneseo: posts the ante 25
themickyd: posts the ante 25
SJMIN: posts the ante 25
noah9: posts the ante 25
jax3000: posts the ante 25
redsox2156: posts the ante 25
flyinghun: posts the ante 25
noah9: posts small blind 100
jax3000: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jayneseo [Ks Qs]
redsox2156: folds
flyinghun: folds
jfgoofy: folds
Markh10: folds
jayneseo: raises 800 to 1000
themickyd: calls 1000
SJMIN: raises 4000 to 5000
noah9: folds
jax3000: folds
jayneseo: calls 2380 and is all-in
themickyd: calls 3390 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [6s 8s 2c]
*** TURN *** [6s 8s 2c] 2♠
*** RIVER *** [6s 8s 2c 2s] 3♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
themickyd: shows [As Ah] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
SJMIN: shows [Jd Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Deuces)
themickyd collected 2020 from side pot
jayneseo: shows [Ks Qs] (a flush, King high)
jayneseo collected 10665 from main pot
SJMIN said, "KQ...n1"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12685 Main pot 10665. Side pot 2020. | Rake 0
Board [6s 8s 2c 2s 3c]
Seat 1: jfgoofy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Markh10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jayneseo showed [Ks Qs] and won (10665) with a flush, King high
Seat 4: themickyd showed [As Ah] and won (2020) with two pair, Aces and Deuces
Seat 5: SJMIN (button) showed [Jd Jc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Deuces
Seat 6: noah9 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: jax3000 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: redsox2156 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: flyinghun folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Ok its 100% random, like I didnt know he would hit the river here, mr table big stack to put out my small stack, big surprises here. Random my ass.
Hey, the THREE hands BEFORE I played this one, I dominated EVERY ONE OF THEM HEADS UP and lost them all. If you think thats random, then hey, enjoy your poker online. King ten race king four, four on flop, AQ all in called by A3 and A5, and a four card straight on river, split, no kidding. And KQ Queen on flop loses to KING JACK STRAIGHT ON RIVER YET AGAIN.
Whatever.

> Game # 1,389,762,976 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(3d Ad )
> pokerpantz folded
> stoneagekyus called for 200
> Atosz raised for 400
> Deniti folded
> daggar folded
> -BURPMAN- folded
> Krec folded
> tima_1 folded
> rsence called for 300
> Kachake, you have 10 seconds to respond
> Kachake folded
> stoneagekyus called for 200
> Dealing the Flop(2d 3s Ks )
> rsence checked
> stoneagekyus checked
> Atosz bet for 700
> rsence folded
> stoneagekyus went all-in for 1,133.75
> Atosz called for 433.75
> Dealing the turn(9s )
> Dealing the river(7c )
> Atosz wins 3,667.50 with One Pair, Sevens
> stoneagekyus has left the tournament in 1103rd place

Totally called this guys bluff, but Im sure you will all say my play sucked, I mean, we approach all tables exactly the same way and we robotize our play right? According to you people we dont make adjustments as we see the table play out for a while, right? Now why do you think he would call my reraise post flop? He played the hand perfectly Im guessing?

As suggested above adjust your play so that you are only playing crap hands. According to your theory you will start winning. Play thousands of hands like that and come back and show us your stats (and your money).

Or better yet - quit playing. What fool would play poker if they knew that it was rigged so that they could never win?

Because he knows how bad of a player you are and has a perfect read on you as an extreme aggressor who overbets shit and knows that when you slowplay, you are holding a decent hand............please move over to pokerstars, I need someone to give me money.
you are easier to read than a cereal box.
If your not willing to deposit real money(not ready to play with the bigboys yet?), I'll settle to play you at a play money table on pokerstars.

seems like these chat forums are made up of two types of people

-The card player who discovers online poker, finds out it is rigged, and tries to bring out the truth the only way he knows how through poker chat forums

-The highly active chat forum member who is always there to discredit any rigged poker theorys

I know if I believed online poker was not rigged I wouldent be here every day devoting ample time trying to find any flaw I can in someone's riged poker theory. Who cares what someone thinks. The only members who stayed active the entire length of this topic are the ones who support the casino. What you got job to do or something? looks suspecious. Im starting to think its obvious witch members work these chat forums for the casinos.

Which casino do we support? I am confused.

The truth is online poker is not rigged, you just have to get through the donks and fish in any type of tournies before the level of play gets better, if your in the early stages of any tourney type and you happen to hit A-A and are re-raised and two other callers act before you and your the fourth player to act, don't go all-in, call and wait to see a flop, if the flop looks like it hasn't hit anyone then do what you want but always see a flop when you hold a large PP in the early stages, the donks will pay almost any amount to see the flop, even if they are holding suited connectors or those connected high cards.
Do not get married to high PPs until you see a flop, you all may call it weak/tight play, but that is the only way to play against donks and fish early on in tournies.
Now that I think about it, this rule mostly apply to the low level buy-ins and freerolls.

OK I admit it, I own 25% of pokerstars, and 48% of Full Tilt Poker. I help rig the site so that the worst hand wins. The only advice I can give you is to play hands with live kickers. OR post on multiple forums that online poker is not rigged, and PM me your username with multiple links to your posts. Then Ill see what i can do for rigging it in your favour.

It would need some credit in order to be discredited.

I don't know about the others but I post because it's the interweb equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel.

Statistically, it SHOULD happen.

Don't you all just love this thread? I have a blast with it.

I fully agree, very entertaining

Dont care how the hand was played, I was sick of watching people flop trips and get run out of the tourney with BS four card straights, so I called this peons all in. And you will notice, before I do so, I mention what I think of the card room, and of COURSE, ONCE AGAIN I DOMINATE AND GET BEATEN EVEN THOUGH ONLY TWO DIFFERENT CARDS FLOPPED. THIS SHIT GOES ON HAND AFTER HAND AFTER HAND, AND ACCORDING TO YOU PEOPLE, ALL 100% RANDOMLY. FIGURE OUT THE ODDS, THE LAST 10 RACES IVE DOMINATED, IVE LOST 9 OF THEM. ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED TO KEEP THE MONEY SPREAD OUT. LOSE THE FISH, LOSE 80% OF YOUR CUSTOMERS. SIMPLE.

> Game # 1,391,812,068 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(Ad 6d )
> phone81 folded
> carver131 folded
> stoneagekyus called for 30
> pettisen folded
> sambuster folded
> TrisS_ went all-in for 915 (A 5)
> peniche folded
> oldmick folded
stoneagekyus> this poker room is a rigged ****ing disgrace
> TaviDark, you have 10 seconds to respond
> TaviDark, you have 5 seconds to respond
> TaviDark folded
> agentas0 folded
> stoneagekyus went all-in for 770
> Extra chips returned to TrisS_, 115
> Dealing the Flop(Jh Js 5s )
> Dealing the turn(4d )
> Dealing the river(9h )
> TrisS_ wins 1,645 with Two Pair, Jacks over Fives and kicker card Ace
> stoneagekyus has left the tournament in 3541st place

haha that hand is the best yet.

"A6 SOOOOTED WITH A ~25BB STACK I'M ARRRIN"

you are bad at poker.

please stop posting individual hands and post stats over a reasonable sample size (although you play some of the hands so horribly it's actually quite entertaining).

Rig it in my favor! just thinking of the endless possibilities. but then I would just end up playing some high limit game, risk a bunch of money and have to trust what the poker site wants me to believe. I dont think thats going to happen. Thanks anyway tenbob,Its not that i dont want to risk any money but........I think ill save my money for the live games at least i can see who is ripping me off.

The reason this happened is because you dident play this hand correctly------------> stoneagekyus> this poker room is a rigged ****ing disgrace

talking chit about the poker site you play at is like tapdancing on a landmine.

how have you not killed yourself in frustration? did you gamble away all of your gun-having money or something? try holding your breath.