Is online poker rigged??? An investigation!

#36 10-03-2007, 5:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mrsnake3695

Damn, now beer is rigged.

Only every 5th bottle

.(and another thread hi-jacked

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#37 10-03-2007, 5:56 AM

both poker and blackjack r legit,however,playing on-line increases the house edge as much as 12% depending on the site.as 4 rng's they r also "supposedly" used in slot machines as well and we all know they are rigged,so rng's do not actually make a game legit but you do not play against a machine you play against other ppl.if you watch live poker and see how many times some1 folds 23o and would've hit trips or a boat and think that when on-line a lot of ppl dont fold crap hands you are going to see more ugly/bad beats then in live games.so finally on-line gaming is NOT rigged

#38 10-03-2007, 5:08 PM

yes yes of course i am lying,no one knows the programmers of the site they are a mysterious breed with no friends or family,they are like the men in black no one knows they exist lol.The fact is they are just regular joes like you and me and when someone happens to know one yes they are discredited cause all you defenders of the site don't like the reality,especially those who have won,its hurts their poker pride to think it was given to them instead of earned.Anyways you just proved the theory even more ,as he said the masses are stupid and are easily manipulated and it would take nothing short of god descending from the heavens and verifying it is rigged for them to realize it,even then they'd be skeptical lol.But your post just proved my theory again,you are that stereotypical part of the masses that wll never acept its rigged,and people like you is why they will never stop rigging it,cause they know you'll stay in denial,keep coming back and giving them your money.If you took the time to read what i said and use common sense you'd see why it makes perfect sense if you spent any sort of time on pokerstars.I have no gripes about lsoing anything cause i only play free play but the trends he stated were real.and did you check this site of the poker star blunder on a final table when they dealt the fifth ace? http:/wtfpokerstars.ytmnd.com ? if you see that and still don't accept its rigged then i am convinced you couldn't find water if you fell out of a boat or sand if you were lost in the middle of the Sahara lol.

#39 10-03-2007, 5:33 PM

Is that you halfway down, Dan?

#40 10-03-2007, 6:35 PM

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Originally Posted by F Paulsson

Is that you halfway down, Dan?

Yea - sounds like him lol. It's nice to know they rig the play money tables too.

#41 10-03-2007, 6:46 PM

http:/wtfpokerstars.ytmnd.com

Well there's no way this could be falsified. That would take some kind of image or photo manipulation software probably purchased from a shop.

By the way I'm good friends with the Pope. He told me the other day that they only let people into heaven who like skiffle music. I was like "wtf man" and he said "yeah we don't like to spread it around cause it keeps the numbers down." Heaven is so rigged.

#42 10-03-2007, 7:11 PM

halfway who? Wait i think i get it,one of those deals where when you don't like what soemone says they must be some other person who has been on the boards who you didn't like what they said either.LOL but i really do get a kick out of this board.It shows me the exact kind of thing he was talking about as far as the masses going to great lengths to discredit the sites are rigged they can lose 5 full bpats in a row on joker pokerstars but they will say "hey man thats poker" lol.Maybe if a guy has 3 aces up his leave thats poker lol.Just as a goof only 5 minutes before this post at a free table i went all in with pocket aces pre flop.I told the highest chips at the table to call me and told him what i had, i told him watch you have a 70 percent chance of beating me for calling low chips all in no matter what you have,he says nah i got 4 and 8 off suit,i said go ahead call it if it misses i will give you back the free chips you called with.So he calls and bam 4 and 8 on the flop,4th card a third ace,i figured uh oh i screwed him lol,but wait the river is another 4 for full house,amazing huh? lmao "Thats just poker" lol.pokerstars is the puppet master pulling all your strings,dance for pokerstars puppets,dance lol.I seens some funny stand up comics before but hell i have never laughed as hard as you clowns who are so blind you couldn't see the sky if you looked up.Poker pokerstars i the pied piper ,follow him mice follow him lol.

#43 10-03-2007, 7:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Irexes

http:/wtfpokerstars.ytmnd.com

Well there's no way this could be falsified. That would take some kind of image or photo manipulation software probably purchased from a shop.

By the way I'm good friends with the Pope. He told me the other day that they only let people into heaven who like skiffle music. I was like "wtf man" and he said "yeah we don't like to spread it around cause it keeps the numbers down." Heaven is so rigged.

Look at the text,look where the pop up says immediately that the tounrey has been cancelled.If you think thats a doctored pic you just show yet again how naive the people are and this is exactly why pokerstars can rig it the way they do with no consequences cause people like yourself say show me evidence and when you see it you still don't want to believe lol.Ok so stay naive and be a complete sucker your whole life,theres many profiteers in this world who depend on people like you to make their money.Poker pokerstars is just one of tens of thousands of fraudulent profiteer businesses you will find.They must be legit cause they are a big reputable company just like the guys over at Enron and Halliburton lmao.Or the guys over at DVDs123 who sell new factory sealed out of print DVDs and video games that are resealed with generic big white security strips found in most video rental stores.Yep companies would never try to dupe the customers lmao.Man I am really tempted to start my own company with false claims.Seeing how insanely easy it is to gain the peoples trust.I could become a millionaire in a week with customers like you people lol.

#44 10-03-2007, 7:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan1888

Just as a goof only 5 minutes before this post at a free table i went all in with pocket aces pre flop.I told the highest chips at the table to call me and told him what i had, i told him watch you have a 70 percent chance of beating me for calling low chips all in no matter what you have,he says nah i got 4 and 8 off suit,i said go ahead call it if it misses i will give you back the free chips you called with.So he calls and bam 4 and 8 on the flop,4th card a third ace,i figured uh oh i screwed him lol,but wait the river is another 4 for full house,amazing huh? lmao "Thats just poker" lol.pokerstars is the puppet master pulling all your strings,dance for pokerstars puppets,dance lol.I seens some funny stand up comics before but hell i have never laughed as hard as you clowns who are so blind you couldn't see the sky if you looked up.Poker pokerstars i the pied piper ,follow him mice follow him lol.

Wouldn't your full house Aces full of fours beat his 4s full of 8s?

It's really rigged if he won with the worst hand after the river.

Feel free to admit you made this up any time now.

#45 10-03-2007, 8:42 PM

I was just thinking about that though and i remember i had a hand with three aces on that table but remember now it was two hand before that and i didn't have pockets when i got them had ace 2 and it flopped 8 A A which held up,couple hands later was when i got the pockets ,which lost to the 4 and 8 off As i write this i am on another free play table,just tracking stats of the way its flopping in the last 15 hands i have seen it flop two suits on the first 4 cards 8 times,and all 8 times there was either a pair up on the board or straitght possibility also with the dual two suits on the table.I seriously think its a riot how these hands keep playing out like this and no one sees it lol.I was tempted to try some real money online but as i said luckily i got a friend who was part of the team that created the pokerstars shuffle.The whole conversation came up cause i went to him first and asked if it was a good idea if i deposit money on pokerstars,asked him in his honest opinion if he thinks its fair since he would know better then anyone.Even as his friend he said well i am not supposed to talk about it but since your my friend I'll give you the lowdown so you don't lose all your money.That conversation is the reason why i stick to free play and never attempt real money.They say you have alot more people calling in free play thats why all the bad beats but its hogwash,i see the bad beats happen just as often when one guy calls a preflop all in as when i see 4 guys call.For those of you who insist on trying free play though heres a tip for you i will add,if three guys go all in and everyone else folds in a tourney and you are the highest chips with the last call,call them when 4 people all in during a tourney (pre flop) its rigged to fall for the highest chip 90% of the time.regardless if you have 2 and 7 off suit and the rest have pocket pairs.To prove what i am saying,even if you don't have the nuts keep notes,watch when 4 players at a tourney table go all in whether its free play of real money tournies don't matter,That exact number 4 all in pre flop,everytime you see that take place right down how many times high chips wins that hand even if they had the lowest hand going into the river.on average every ten times that happens it falls for highest chips involved 8 to 9 times of the ten.It has to be all in pre flop though.So if you are highest and three have gone large bets but not quite all in,push the rest of them in before the flop.Come back and tell me your results and thank me when you win nice stacks on those hands if you played it like i told you to.The last four times i did this myself i won every time.no matter what my start hand was.I'd say i've seen this hand happen close to 50 times and the high chips won it high 30's to about 40 times of those 50.Go test it in free play,whatever but i am giving you your proof,go try to prove me wrong.

#46 10-03-2007, 9:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan1888

I know a programmer who helped create the Poker Stars shuffle.According to him it is rigged as its a necessary evil from a business standpoint. Though not rigged for a specific individual the hands are rigged in a number of ways.First and foremost,80% of players on pokerstars are bad poker players,the kind that call big bets on low percentage hands,or will even raise themselves on a bad hand.If it fell according to normal percentages the poker sharks would drain such players and drain them real quick.If a bad player was contstantly losing his butt he would get frustrated and not come back.If the 80% of bad players all left,so goes 80% of the sites profits with them.By rigging it to dish alot of bad river beats it gives bad players who should have folded out a more even playing field with the sharks who would have taken all their cash.Its not just about bad beats either.Your chip count matters especially in tournies.In a tourney if you have the highest stack in the hand being played its programmed for the come from behind beats on 4th or river 70% of the time if the higher calls the lows all in.You'll see it happen constantly a hand where a lower chips goes all in preflop with pocket aces and a high stacks calls with like a 4 and 5 off suit.Flop dishes a 3rd ace with king and ten,last two cards 2 and 3 to give it to the higher chip caller with the ace to 5 straight.By rigging it this way it puts the odds with higher chips regardless of who had the percentages to win but keeps it so in the long run all the low chip callers do get some hits to block the arguement its rigged.Thats the key is to rig it at a certain percentage this way a trend don't happen all the time,the low chips can still hit the high chip at 30% to quell any arguement that its plain out rigged for the high chip (which technically it is if its going to give it to him 70% of the time regardless of what high chips came in with).You'll also notice if you pay attention that the first 4 cards flopped are often two of two different suits to leave flush possibilities for multiple hands going into the river,and often these also have a straight draw potential in their to keep the max amount in the hand betting big.Many times that final river card in these situations will dish a flush but with a card that also gave another caller his straight.Its by design this is not a coincidence.The program is alot more complicated then people even realize.

The endorsements of this site are paid for endorsements with the companies taking pokerstars at their word of how the shuffle works,these companies didn't pay any programmer to comb through the program and actually see how the shuffle happens in reality.I asked the exact same question to him as people here ask,why would they risk rigging it if where people could figure it out and stop playing there.He said "Simply put,the general masses are really stupid and are willing to trust any business unless there is clear cut proof of rigging.As long as the low chips don't get bad beat every single hand they all in they can't claim its always rigged for high chips,as long as bad river fish don't win on the river everytime people can't say the rivers are rigged so thats why you rig it at a certain percentage so its not really able to be proven cause anyone can win the hand even if the percentages are fixed based on chip count and table action as opposed to the percentages based on the cards.He even told me of a time the program hit a glitch and all tournies for the day had to be shut down while they figured out what happened with the program.In dealing its usual drama hands to keep table action high in a tourney,the program miscalculated and threw a 5th ace.I actually looked it up on search engines to see if anyone ever spoke of this and found a screen shot of the tourney he was talking about http:/wtfpokerstars.ytmnd.com. They had to fine tune the program to make sure it didn't misread whats left in the deck again but the rigged drama flops remain in play,thats part was never altered.I asked him how they could get away with it if they were caught red handed,explanation "Well if people who saw it want an explanation its simple,tell them it was a hacker who compromised the shuffle and make the guy who got the five aces sign up with a new screen name and inform him if he talks about what happened in game rooms,specifically mentioning that the 5th ace came from pokerstars end and not from some program he was using,he would be banned".

So to sum it up they rig the site cause they know they can and its not just to make a few bucks,over the course of a year the way its programmed it generates them multi millions more in profits and its done in a way that can look questionable too many but can never really be proven.They bank on the majority trusting them unless actual positive proof can be shown its rigged (which it never can be unless a hacker got into their program and actually spelled it out for us exactly how the shuffle is working).If you read message boards all over the web you will see they made the right gamble cause the majority of people stick up for them and say "its not rigged,that would be stupid what could they gain from that?" The answer is they gain alot from that and by keeping it rigged specifically by a certain percentage to give the bad rivers and such,its kept so that the sharks can't take all the bad players money but at the same time the sharks will still get their own share of wins to keep everyone happy (or so they theorized).I play there myself,just the free money for fun and to watch to see if the trends he spoke of is true and the way the flops happen with alot of river beats,and specifically alot of higher chips players getting bailed out of low percentage hands on the river and it is very consistent with the system he explained to me.So you can all debate about if its rigged or not.I will go with the words of an actual creator of the shuffle.He had to sign a secrecy form on how the shuffle works so that the prgrammers can't speak publicly and compromise the sites integrity.I on the other hand am just a friend of his and signed nothing,just relaying what i heard to keep players informed and save them from having their money stolen from them *winks*

lol

#47 10-03-2007, 9:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Irexes

Wouldn't your full house Aces full of fours beat his 4s full of 8s?

It's really rigged if he won with the worst hand after the river.

Feel free to admit you made this up any time now.

lol!!!

Dan - you ready to buy that swampland in Florida yet? Beachfront - will give you a great deal.....

#48 10-03-2007, 9:12 PM

Paragraphs are rigged. Avoid at all costs.

#49 10-03-2007, 9:39 PM

So your evidence is a hand you can't remember properly.....

..... is based on Play Money tables.....

..... and you are making further conclusions based on a sample of 15 hands.

My friend, you are not going to get a lot of sympathy from folks here.

#50 10-03-2007, 11:13 PM

yea it would be stupid to play if you thought it was rigged
Reef

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Originally Posted by shortstacked

ok first im not going to read all that,as for it to be rigged i dont beleave it is, for me im sick of seeing this posts on the forums

FIRST if you think online poker is rigged then dont play it
try your hand of line im sure you will see the same things
I play alot online as well as off line and i take bad to super bad beats, I make more money in a year online then I do off line
sorry I hate these posts

#51 11-03-2007, 1:51 AM

I'm drunk. And this STILL doesn't make sense.

Seriously, I'm really drunk.

#52 11-03-2007, 2:16 AM

So your saying that they made a whole different program for free play.Hmm yes yes that makes sense spend tons more on development mone for your free play tables.lol people aren't really this thick headed are they? You guys are just pulling my leg your really not that dumb are you? It would explain why you swear religiously though the sites not rigged.while in free play today i talked to a 5 year vet of the site who stopped playing money play.Had a conversation with him about the flops,didn't even say my opinion asked him based on his years of real money play what he thought of the site.He brought up one tourney where he was second overall in chips count.He flopped aces over tens full house and went all in.Coincidentally the overall chips leader was at the same table,every one else folded out but after a brief hesitation the chips leader called,cards flip and leader showing pair of 8s.So of course he has is ecstatic,has him beat.4th card flops 8,river another 8 and just like that the only guy in the tounrey with enough chips to beat him knocks him out with 2 outs he had to have with two outs to go.If any of you have any math knowledge calculate for me what the chips leaders odds were to catch that after the flop before he even showed his thrid 8 lol.What makes it really amazing is the timing of it late in the tourney and as usual the big all in seems to trigger the crazy action with the flops.Its convenient to that the only person of the 400 or so left who could out him was the one to catch the BS.This was just ne of many terrible beats like that which finally made him see the light and stop playing money games.He also spoke of times he would call in all in bluff with two pair on the flop and the guy would have nothing not even a draw yet but after the 4th cards he would connect for a straight or flush draw,and the river would give him the final card to complete the straight or flush,always to a higher chips in a tourney.Then there was the freeplay omahatounrey i played in where this guy al inned every hand.he was winning every time.He all inned every hand till people called him and kept winning even if a dominant hand called him with a pair of aces that was also were both on suit with the other two cards dealt to them.After i was out i decided to watch his progress and he made one of the top 27 spots for the snd round weekly using this same bet n pray strategy for the entire tourney.He only lost once in a great while and it only happened when a tiny chips called him who couldn't even put a dent in his stack.Everytime people called that could really hurt his stack they lost every time even in situations where 4 good size stacks called him and he had worst to second worst start hand before the flop.One of them being a hand where he was bailed out with three dueces on the flop to go with his one duece when 4 players who called all had him beat easily.It does make perfect sense though as like i said the odds go up dramatically for higher chips in all ins and he rode that pokerstars assist all the way to the top 27,disproving the theory that in the long run stupid poker players can't succeed on the site.I do feel sorry for how badly naive you guys are.But like everyone else learns eventually you will to.Don't ever complain though cause if you write to pokerstars questioning fishy flops your luck will deteriorate even worse.Many of you might not realize but pokerstars can control flops and can make anyone lose unbelievable flops for an extended period of time if they complain.you'll watch your all your flush hands,full house hands,and straights get beat out for the next month or so.If you don't buy that,well write them and complain you feel the flops are rigged you'll see.

#53 11-03-2007, 4:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan1888

Hi everyone my concept of sample size is about as good as my concept of paragraphing. I'm honestly really great at poker so it obviously can't be my fault I lose money all the time, it's gotta be those damn rigged sites!

fyp

also you using one example from one donkament as proof that "in the long run stupid players can't succeed" is hilarious.

btw if the site is rigged, go deposit a few hundred bucks, enter a few big donkaments and go allin every hand. i mean you have the site sussed in that you know they're rewarding donk play, so why wouldn't you do this?

alternatively there's the possibility you're just being a troll. if so, go away.

yours eagerly awaiting your overly long winded tinfoil hat infused reply with no paragraphing,

~ Chris

#54 11-03-2007, 11:10 AM

I don't bother with spell check and don't paragraph everything i write,so this is what disproves everything i have said? get a clue man.It doesn't take a genius to see its rigged.I gave many ways for you all to test it.I bet some did and found what i said was true thats why the sudden silence on the board.Again though th easiest way is watch for the action hands. when it flops say Ah Kd 8d then 4th is like Jh setting up two flush possibilities and a straight draw on the table not to mention more action if someone floped two pair and is waiting on a river boat.count in 30 consective hands how many times you see the double two suiter on the first 4 cards that has straight possibilities in there to or a pair up setting someone up for the full.When you have the number of how many times that happens take a deck of cards and shuffle it and deal out 9 hands on a table and then flop.Do that 30 times and see how many times it happens on the real table.You say the action happens cause you see alot more hands online so take the exact same amount of hands and do the percentages of how often it happens.You'll see a huge difference in the amount of times it flops the dual suit on 4th card with a real deck shuffle.On a real table its possible to go 30 hands without seeing that set up on 4th one time,but you will not ever go 30 hands without seeing it on pokerstars,you'd be lucky to see it happen less then 7 times out of 30 straight hands.Go test it out and give me an honest report of what you find.In fact i am going to go do 30 myself and i'll post back an honest amount that it deals the two suits in those 30 hands.

#55 11-03-2007, 11:43 AM

of the 30 hands i saw dual suits come by the 4 th card 8 times (3 of those hands the river dealt a card that gave someone their flush and someone his straight),a pair on the flop 18 times. 3 cards same suit flop 5 times. 3 of a kind on the initial flop 2 times.river that changed the outcome of the hand 16 times. (13 times when just two were involed in the hand on the river,quite a bit considering that alot of hands never even went as far as the river).Comapred to some of the streaks of big drama flops i have seen this was a pretty tame table yet that in itself was alot of action flops in 30 hands.In the past i have seen it flop 2 of two different suits on the first 4 cards 8 times in a row and only one of those times did it not have three cards in straight range in the mix.

#56 11-03-2007, 12:29 PM

The sudden silence on the board was due to the fact that it was the middle of the night and we all went to bed.

We are still laughing.

#57 11-03-2007, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dakota-xx

The sudden silence on the board was due to the fact that it was the middle of the night and we all went to bed.

We are still laughing.

and fp may still be drunk

#58 11-03-2007, 12:39 PM

wow 30 hands!

i dunno about you guys but i'm completely convinced now!

#59 11-03-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Marklar

Blackjack is rigged both online and casinos.
I dont believe Poker is however.

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Originally Posted by gord962

And explain how black jack is rigged? ...And why would you think live blackjack is rigged? How exactly would they do that?

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Originally Posted by LetsGetItOn

heh, I honestly think Online blackjack is rigged. Never seen so many dealer 6's turn into 21's. Live blackjack is legit however.

Ok...for starters blackjack is TECHNICALLY a "Rigged Game": the RULES favor the house by approximately 2%....what this means is that if you played 100 $10 hands you would EXPECT to win $480 but LOSE $520.

In Atlantic City, they use a shoe of 7 decks. A "cut card" is used to cut the deck before loading the shoe. Once the shoe is loaded, approximately 1 and a half "decks" worth of cards are "cut off"...the first few of these cards will be used to complete the hand, the rest are NEVER played.

Why? Simple. If you are "counting", you have an idea of whether a low, middle or high card (i.e. which range of cards occur MORE in the remaing cards to be dealt) is "due up" when it is your turn and and idea of what the dealers down card is. Using counting you can lessen the odds of the house winning to down to less than 0.5%... the house IS STILL favored, but NOT as much. Cutting off a deck and a half prevents counters from having a HUGE advantage during play of these last 70~80 cards.

When the remaining cards in the deck are more "high cards", you stand a better chance of winning that hand, when the remaining cards in the deck are "low cards", you stand a better chance of losing that hand. So by "swinging" your bet amounts UP when high cards remain and DOWN when more low cards remain you can "swing" the who's favored towards you by a very slight percentage...like getting pot odds on your draws, you SHOULD win more than you lose....but as in poker, that's where "luck" plays it's role...will you lose your bankroll before you win more than you've lost.

As far as online blackjack, I have NOT found any "stats" on how there deck(s) is(are) arranged. If it's one deck, reshuffled after every hand, then plain and simple you CAN NOT swing the advantage towards you even if you are charted EVERY card that is played...something that a live casino would "ban you for life" if you ever attempted.

#60 11-03-2007, 1:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan1888

of the 30 hands i saw dual suits come by the 4 th card 8 times (3 of those hands the river dealt a card that gave someone their flush and someone his straight),a pair on the flop 18 times. 3 cards same suit flop 5 times. 3 of a kind on the initial flop 2 times.river that changed the outcome of the hand 16 times. (13 times when just two were involed in the hand on the river,quite a bit considering that alot of hands never even went as far as the river).Comapred to some of the streaks of big drama flops i have seen this was a pretty tame table yet that in itself was alot of action flops in 30 hands.In the past i have seen it flop 2 of two different suits on the first 4 cards 8 times in a row and only one of those times did it not have three cards in straight range in the mix.

Ok....statistically speaking this is a big "so what?"

We all know that the odds on 5 cards dealt from the top of the deck being a royal flush is 1:649,750. This means simply that dealing five cards off the top of a shuffled deck 649,750 times you would EXPECT the hand dealt to be a royal flush EXACTLY 1 time...now for the part everyone donks when it come to statistics:

If you shuffle the cards and deal out five cards. You turn those cards over and yes, they are a royal flush.

You pick up the cards, shuffle and deal again and you get another royal flush.

You pick up the cards, shuffle and deal again. NOW what are the odds that the hand dealt is a royal flush? The odds are EXACTLY 1:649,750...the same as the first hand dealt and the same as the second hand dealt.

Why? Because once you reshuffle the odds are "reset". It makes ZERO DIFFERENCE what came out with the previous shuffle nor what WILL come out after the NEXT shuffle!

#61 11-03-2007, 1:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan1888

yes yes of course i am lying,no one knows the programmers of the site they are a mysterious breed with no friends or family,they are like the men in black no one knows they exist .

No...we programmers are like baby pigeons...no one ever sees us but we MUST exist.... and btw...we prefer "Software Developers"...it pays more

#62 11-03-2007, 2:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan1888

I know...from them *winks*

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Originally Posted by Dan1888

... of course i am lying...

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Originally Posted by Dan1888

...they must be some other person who has been on the boards...

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Originally Posted by Dan1888

...a complete sucker...

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Originally Posted by Dan1888

I was just thinking...me wrong.

LOLOL ^^^^^

#63 11-03-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PokerPete

Ok....statistically speaking this is a big "so what?"

We all know that the odds on 5 cards dealt from the top of the deck being a royal flush is 1:649,750. This means simply that dealing five cards off the top of a shuffled deck 649,750 times you would EXPECT the hand dealt to be a royal flush EXACTLY 1 time...now for the part everyone donks when it come to statistics:

If you shuffle the cards and deal out five cards. You turn those cards over and yes, they are a royal flush.

You pick up the cards, shuffle and deal again and you get another royal flush.

You pick up the cards, shuffle and deal again. NOW what are the odds that the hand dealt is a royal flush? The odds are EXACTLY 1:649,750...the same as the first hand dealt and the same as the second hand dealt.

Why? Because once you reshuffle the odds are "reset". It makes ZERO DIFFERENCE what came out with the previous shuffle nor what WILL come out after the NEXT shuffle!

Yes your right it can deal two straight royal flushes in a row and its the saem odds and one might say "wow whats the odds of that?amazing" and be done with it and continue playing.Two hands is one thing.Consistently defying the odds for 5 straight years on every table constantly is another.In the last 15 times that i called an all in and had thguys highest card matched with the higher second card making it a one card race.I lost every single hand either to him matching the lower card and mine staying flat or a straight wrapping around his smaller card.Thats just poker right? Okay so its just poker to that two hand in a row that i went all in with two pair and got called in by a guy with nothing on the flop he got a 4th card and river he had to have to get me,just poker right? Even when the shoes on the other foot and I have the day where i can't seem to miss.I am still the first to admit its flopping BS that would never take place on a real table.I love how you guys all want to say "oh he complains cause he always loses and sucks blah blah blah" Not really I mean i just play free play so i don't care about losses and i have won quite a few free play tournies.I sometimes even apologize to the hands i beat that seemed a lock to win cause when you have the assisted seat going for you its almost embarassing how poor the integrity is.according to other message boards on this site the 5 ace incident has happened more then on


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