Is online poker rigged??? An investigation!

OK I've stopped laughing now........

I never played cash, mtt's only. One or two a night......again I stated that in an earlier post. I think you're ''having a moment'' my friend. As shakespeare put it 'methinks she protesteth too much'.

Oh! and btw if you won $52.........well! ........I bow to your greater knowledge and skill. A player of your status must be right!!

I think you missed a couple of layers of sarcasm there, buddy.

Yeah well you didnt provide any evidence, so we didnt think we needed to provide any. Kind of laughable, a "Pro" that has played for 15 years, with all of those big names, yet you try to prove online poker is rigged playing 10 micro stake SAGs??
I have one thing to say to our site "Pro" - you my friend are a fraud!! (And I surely would be willing to take a look at your OPR or SharkScope. For some reason I doubt you will post them though...)

Wow i didnt realize my opinion would create such a stir. Thank you for your opinions as you are all entitled to them. As am i.

I would just like to reply to Irexes. As soon as i played my said sit n gos i closed my accounts. But i have emailed each site with my username and password requesting a copy of all hands i played, especially the hands i lost on. So far i have had no reply.....What you must know is i didnt even realise they took a record of your progress until a friend told me when i played lastnite (live). Im not exactly what you call computer literate.
So you want to know about the royal flush beat? Well that.....i can certainly remember. It went as follows,

Dealt to me....10 10......i raise = 1 caller (sorry forgot my position)

Flop....A(c) 10(c) 10.......caller raises, i reraise allin, player calls

Player holds A K(c)

Turn....J(c)

River...Q(c)

Now if you call that totally random then yes theres no way your going to believe anything is "rigged". This is the worst beat i have ever seen in my professional career. What is probably most shocking is telling the people playing at the table lastnite about the hand and at how 'unsurprised' they were. 1 even said "well thats your own fault for playing online"! I stand corrected i guess.

I know my experiment was pretty short and that i apologise for, but im very busy. I have two busy businesses to attend to and also cramming in poker. Also, if i gave you my statistcal analysis on every hand played id of wrote a book! Never mind the less experienced players (ie odinscott) not knowing what the hell i was going on about! So i kept it as simple as possible.

As for knowing who i am......in the past i have been offered certain sponsorship deals from various companys which i have turn down due to having my own specific business interests. I have never been offered a sponsorship from an internet site which...i would accept in a heart beat!
Why? Take a pro sponsored by FULL TILT for example he/she will get......

Free entry to any main televised tournament,
Free travel and accommodation to and from the event,
Free money to play on FULL TILT (iv been told $30000 per year)

What he/she has to do for it.....wear FULL TILT merchandise and tell everyone they play on FULL TILT (but not for free obviously).
Thats it!

I have heard pros taking it way to far though. Somebody once told me Mike (the mouth) started depositing his own money when full tilts ran out and lost $500000 playing $1000 $2000 limits in just 2 weeks!. How true that is i have no idea though. Hard to believe considering hes one of the top 20 players in the world. But then again after experiencing it myself....

So it would be foolish of me to reveal who i was wouldnt it.

The only reason im on here is because i have heard so much about this subject both reading forums and in live play. Im not here to say "im a pro so i know" that would be pointless and shallow of me. Just make your own assumptions which you are and thats great.

By the way, DorkusMalorkus....very entertaining.

odinscott - wow how did you know?

Oh please....this is the kind of shallowness i was hopeing to avoid. Please dont be jealous im not on here to steal your limelight..........seriously

lol at the HH youve provided which is obviously legit.

You are right, your sample of one (1) hand is incontrovertible proof. Though why they didn't just give you KK and other guy AA preflop remains a mystery.

imvho i dont think its rigged just juiced up read a bit of this thread but not it all looks a fantastic forum will be reading most evenings online poker is sick its all about dodging bullets baby

This ongoing discussion still doesn't convince me one way or the other, but I still find it hard to believe the SITES would jeopardize billions of dollars in revenue. Once in a while someone references a huge company like Enron being a 'cheat'. The disparity there is that Enron HAD to cheat to make their money, poker sites do not. We THROW it at them, willingly. Threads are countless about 'HELP, I need to deposit online. PLZ, someone help me.'

About the unnamed pro... $600k earnings in 15 years. Since we're being analytical, that's $40k per year revenue and unspecified buy-ins and costs. What 'pro', hoping to 'clear this up once and for all', would risk being recognized when giving us the straight skinny based on 28 SnG's? Anyone know of a pro who would play 28 SnG's at a live poker room and declare that the dealers and/or the house are crooked, vowing never to return?

I think we are getting dangerously close to declaring that the WSOP and other LIVE major events are also rigged. How often do we see a TOP pro take down 1st in MTT's anymore? (can't speak about SnG's as I don't follow them) It IS clear that many WELL-known poker pros have been quoted as stating that they make most of their money from cash games (and now golf). I think there were more than 28 unique hands involved in Jamie Gold's run to the wire. That, undoubtedly, verifies that the WSOP Main Event is now rigged.

I wish poker sites were like politicians and could simply tell us the TRUTH !!!

sarcasm mode <off>

Are you marco traniello? You must be imo since he is like the only unsigned pro

Above.

pro 36 wrote: "I have heard pros taking it way to far though. Somebody once told me Mike (the mouth) started depositing his own money when full tilts ran out and lost $500000 playing $1000 $2000 limits in just 2 weeks!. How true that is i have no idea though. Hard to believe considering hes one of the top 20 players in the world."

There have been numerous comments confirming this throughout the poker world. His own brother confirmed in an interview that thay had to remove the computers from Mike's house to keep him from playing online and chasing his losses and bankrupting the family.

Philthy wrote, Im not a pro, so I guess Im one of the less experienced players and I obv. have no idea what Im talking about.

Maybe i could help you there. Lessons? how does $1000 an hour sound? i tell you what make it $5000 since your so rich. Oh and if you simply havnt a clue about poker why are you even replying? oh well....


Philthy......Seriously if you make a quarter of what iv made in your lifetime il be impressed, very impressed. I meet young hotshots like you who think they know everything all the time only to see them broke a week later. Get to your casino, start playin real poker, you never know you might like live poker. Because its "obv" you have never played it.

Yep thats what i heard. Something along those lines anyway

i charge the low, low rate of $500/hr for detecting sarcasm on the internets lessons.

PM me if interested!

philthy may not be a pro, but he is one hell of a grinder who works hard at his game. But hang on, wait a minute, people have heard of philthys name, but not yours, so surely that makes him more of a pro and a cult poker hero imo than you since people recognise his name.

P.S. did you purposely sidestep Irexes and my mockery of your posts because you had no kind of comeback? Though so

also, if you really are a 'pro' do you hang out with a load of poker pros that we may have heard of. Ive heard that there is one called Jeremy Pantin who is known and respected by 90% of the true poker pros, you ever met him live?

I'm more interested in the rationale for reraising all-in with quads when the other guy is leading the flop than anything else.

lol you're obviously not math literate either. Put it this way, I'm going to take my deck of cards out right now ok? I'm going to deal a 5 card poker hand out, ok?

*gets out deck of cards, deals*

5s, 6d, Jh, Kh, Ac

omgomgomgomg it's rigged, that has a (1/52)(1/51)(1/50)(1/49)(1/48) = 1 in 311,875,200 chance in happening. omgomgomgomg call the live rigged police.

Randomness is about the long run, in the long run that beat you saw will happen rarely. I could calculate it exactly but I don't feel like doing work to try to prove something to someone who obviously has already made up his mind. If you're really a pro, you've probably even played enough hands where it can be expected to run into that kind of beat. Sure it's rare, but so is any other hand, see my example above, where a perfectly innocent 5-card hand all of a sudden proves that my dealing of cards is not random. Oh right, random has nothing to do with single events. I would question its randomness if unlikely events did NOT happen once in a while. That's one of the best indicators of whether something is truly random or a human trying to fake random. A human will avoid unlikely events, even though an unlikely event is likely to happen over a large enough sample. Sure 5 heads tosses of a fair coin in a row is unlikely, but if you flip it 1,000 times, it's likely to happen. Thus if you're really a pro and play enough, you can expect to see a beat that bad. Of course I doubt you're actually a pro, in fact I'd bet money that you are not, because I don't know how someone with this kind of lack of knowledge of probability and randomness could be good enough at poker to make a living.

No they just werent significant. You, Irexes and Philthy are just young kids with a dream, nothing else. I think thats obvious. Or do i have to "prove" that aswell?

Good luck in your poker careers. Heaven knows ul need it!

Good luck to you too! ha ha

All you have to do is post your username. Then we all believe and you go from someone that is full of it, to someone that has some merit. Right now, it is nearly certain that you are not only far from a "Pro", but more than likely are some guy that deposited 100 bucks and lost it all in SAGs. You know why you lost - because you arent very good, it has nothing to do with any site being "rigged"...

Ok, with every post you become less likely to actually be a pro.

I'd be amazed if anyone who actually made a living at the game was insecure enough to call themself pro_36 and felt it necessary to take stabs at others about whom they know nothing.

Easily cleared up though. Pop along to the hand analysis forum, share some thoughts with us on some hands. Should be easy to demonstrate your ability that way if you can't tell us who you are.

Otherwise your claims of expertise are as baseless as your claims of riggedness.

Above.

It's funny cos it's true.

Enjoy: YouTube - Jennifer Harman vs Corey Zeidman at the WSOP 2005 Main Event

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What username did you play under when 'sampling the field'? Or is that just as secret as your identity marco?

why do people feel the need to lie on the internet?

i mean okay. granted, it's obviously a medium that's conductive to lies, but what do people think they actually stand to gain by lying? does our friend pro_whatever actually think that because he's said "HI GUYZ I R PRO" that we will all suddenly kneel at his feet and worship his conclusion from a whopping 28 donk n gos that online poker is rigged?

apprantely he does

lol, actually Irexes pretty much hit the nail on the head, didn't even think about it like that before. If they wanted you to lose, they could rig it without making it obvious. Why would they rig it against you like that? They want you to keep playing and putting your money on. Wouldn't they at least make it seem not as bad? Oh right, they're not rigging it, it's an RNG with no knowledge of what a royal flush is and thus the RNG has the same likelihood of doing something like that as something else (see my 5 card hand example if you don't understand this).

For people to pay you to teach them, they need to think that you know what you're talking about. If I was considering paying someone to give me lessons it might include zachvac, F Paulsson or ChuckTs - but definitely not you. Because I respect their analytical capabilities, and their ability to express it in the online environment. Zachvac is substantially younger than me, but you place far too much importance on how old somebody is, what actually matters is how much credibility they have. If you really were a poker pro, you would understand how crucial that is.

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Oh and if you simply havnt a clue about poker why are you even replying?

Ever heard of sarcasm? No, he simply applied the same rules as to what constitutes "proof" as you did in your earlier post.

Yeah pro 36, of course the biggest sites out there, rig against their own pros as well. At least they steal from everyone equally.