Is online poker rigged??? An investigation!

LMAO

I welcome any challenge. i havent heard any offers yet.

I challenge you to stop making stupid, crap posts.

I accept the challenge. oh wait is this a stupid crap post. I guess I lose darn.

stormswa nudges JD's arm in hope that it will make his click the little banning slot on his admin controls!!!!!

Comedic genius...

Iknowthetruth=Tuff_Fish Jr. lighten up

your gonna blow a gasket

I have pokertracker statistics from a certain online poker room ... over 380,000 hands worth. As we know, statistically, the chances of getting any particular pocket pair is .45%. So, the combined total of AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT would be 2.25%. About 386,000 hands (the equivalent of nearly 8 years of full-time brick & mortar NL) at one poker room in my database total as follows:

AA-.42% KK - .47% QQ -.44% JJ-.42% TT-.43% TOTAL 2.18%

I ran 1,000 such simulated random number "sets" of 386,000 and couldn't get a SINGLE SUCH SET to come up this low.

Further, within this, my last approximately 12,500 hands show the following results:
AA - .01% KK - .01% QQ - .03% JJ -.02% TT - .03%

Again, I ran 1,000 random-number sets each with approx. 12,500 .... couldn't find a single such set with any result even remotely close to this absurd result. A statistical impossibility.

Which raises an interesting question: AM I THE MOST UNLUCKY PLAYER IN HISTORY OR, IS THIS A-PRIORE EVIDENCE OF MALFUNCTION???

can you post a few screenshots?

Take a screenshot of this ..

Go get 2 bots and have them play each other online... have them programmed to check down every hand. Play about .. oh.... 75 - 100K hands that way. Or, if you prefer, you can sit there with some buddy of yours and do it... frankly, Im too flucking busy for you or it.

But go do it... then download the hands into PimpTracker.. opps.. I mean Pokertracker.... and see the percentage of times your various hands won

P.S. I HIGHLY RECOMEND YOU TAKE SOME KIND OF SEDATIVE AND REMOVE ALL SHARP OBJECTS BEFORE LOOKING AT THE RESULTS. THEY WILL.. OR AT LEAST SHOULD... ASTOUND YOU

Why don't you do it and then post screenshots?

what would that do? checking down hands and seeing how they play out just shows you how that session went. There is no reason for these guys to rig poker, and I feel awful for any of you if you go to an actual casino.

OMG ITS SO RIGGED! MY ACES LOST TO HIS 2-7!!!! THIS CASINO IS RIGGED! HE WORKS FOR YOU!!!!!

then watch as the people at the casino do what we do, laugh our asses off at you

That's because the casino isn't rigged, and you guys don't understand that.

It's the CARD MAKER, they are definitely rigged. Why do you think they all put their trademark on the A of spades? Ever wondered that? That's the absolute biggest evidence they are RIGGED. Only a fool wouldn't understand that and play live games in casinos.

Just my opinion.

ok heres a few questions for all those who think its rigged.

1)what is the point of rigging action especially at microgames, where the max rake is not a whole lot and they make more than enough money to keep their software running. If the site is rigged, the smart thing to do would be to leave the microlimits alone and rig the high stakes where it is at least kind of worth it?

2)why would any pros risk affiliating themselves with a rigged site and if they did why would they play on it?

3)Why rig a tournament? the action in a tournament has no impact on their profit at all, they get no rake and they make all their money from the buy-ins, so dont ever tell me tourney poker is rigged, because thats just ignorant.

4)If you know its rigged, and you know worse hands will win, why not only play those hands that are worse and tell me how your session goes? Ill bet anything you wont say its rigged ever again after you lose all your money playing like the donks you all bash

Just shut up and do what I say .... run out 75000-100,000 hands heads up checking down every hand so all hole cards are revealed and the hands play out themselves.....then download the 100,000 hands into pokertracker and take a look at the stats.

I might wind up in jail for manslaughter if you do this - because you might die laughing when you see the results

Post the screenshot, seems as you have time to regester to a forum, log on, and post in this thread, you must have time to post the screenshot right ???? Lots of us have 100K hands in Poker Tracker, id like to see your backup.

heres my question though, do you want heads up for them to play out or do you want every single hand dealt to the table to play out? Because if you want all hands dealt to a table to playout that wont prove a thing. I just dont understand why you guys want the hands to play out, ak vs any random hand is usually 60/40, that means ak when played 100 times will lose 40 times and win 60, believe me it plays out like that, only problem for you guys is your skulls are so think you only remember those big pots you lose when you overplay ak and get all mad, you never remember those hands you win with ak.

If you do every hand at a table, ak 6 handed is something like 30% to win, im not sure what the exact % is but you guys need to stop thinking its rigged and learn the math that goes with the game, im sure you will be a lot better after that.


edit:also love how they cant answer the questions, must be because they dont have a reason for it to be rigged other than the fact that they lose, kinda funny

No further coments until you do what I said.... as you correctly point out, a hand like AK is approximatey 3/2 versus a random hand, whereas 27 wins less, and that should be reflected if you show down a large number of random hands. However, if you do the exersize I recommend, and examine what % of time your AK won verus random hands, you will find the surprise of your life.

So unless you are ready to do this, then I will not respond further (because, you see, I've done it - and my eyeballs still haven't returned to their sockets!!)

But don't believe me... DO IT YOURSELF

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees e stop posting in this thread.

Assuming you're not BSing, check your Poker Tracker filters.

Also comedic edit: HAY GUYZ WAT'S EZIER ME POSTING ONE SCREENSHOT OR YUO PLAYING 456879546 HANDS OF NO LIMIT HOLD THEM

You DON'T have 100K plus hands that are played out WITHOUT human intervention. You have hands that were played by people and hence, do NOT reflect what is happening with the cards, but in the minds of the player. After all, we all know that the good player beats the bad player regardless of what the cards are.

The placebo effect must be weeded out if you want to see what the program will do if left to it's own devices!!

Of course, you could take the hands that you currently have in your pokertracker database and MANUALLY start the tedious process of indentifying specific situations and charting the results of what WOULD HAVE HAPPENED manually, but then you will need a much larger sample, and this would take forever (I tried it) and, since it relies on you to manually extract the data as to which hands would have prevailed over which ones, the sample would have way too much human sampling error.

Having tried that, and realizing it would take forever and millions of hands, it's best that you just spend the time playing heads up as I said, or, set up 2 bots to do it for you

Sorry... you will have to do your own screenshot after doing it

I know If I wanted to get real serious about doing affiliate work for online poker, a chat forum would be my best bet. but that's beside the point.

I know If I had my own chat forum I couldent have every other member spouting off poker rigged theorys all over my forum. but thats beside the point.

I know to keep my chat forum clean and orginized I would try to keep all the disruptive posts in one area, and thats beside the point.

I know the best way to combat the negative posters is with a greater number of positive poster's, also beside the point

I know If it were my chat forum I might as well asume several different identities in efforts of making everything I have to say look like several other members openion. beside the point again.

I know the only purpose for this forum is to make money. still not the point.

GET TO THE POINT--ok the point is.............................

I'm not
talking to Mr. ban hammer or the dooshbag or the hot girl "why is she here again" or the banjo hillbilly who spends 10k a year in rake "YEEEHAA yeeeaa right" or....

BUT
The people who just want a fair game, or those looking for answers. The people who arent sellouts

sellouts. money makes everyone into a sellout. even Doyel Brunson, what happened to his original poker site? went under dident it. Now he's got a skin with prima poker. Selling his name and image for a cut. You dont see Phill Helmuth's face on Ultimate Bet any more do you, and he never plays there any more he must not be getting paid enough. how about Daniels site. Even tho you can play daniel himself as dealer, and with their new and improved graffics they barley hold 3k players at peak hours.

Im know online poker was a lucrative business. years ago when it was new, and people weren't shure if it was rigged or not including myself. I also made some of that 2 EZ affiliate money. Now days for me renting banner space wont even pay for itself. People are loosing intrest and walking away from it. looks like greed got the best of the poker sites.

Poker sites are getting desperate.
yea I had a prity good run on carbon poker concidering I dident deposite. would you like to know why? Dare to ask me.
My run at Absolute Poker was even better. It had been a while since I visited that site proubibly more than 8 months. Thought I would go ahead and uninstall it, but before I did that I wanted to have one last look at it, see if they made any new updates and so-forth. suprisingly I found 10 bucks in my account. Dam I thought , they must really be hurting for players. I proceded to play my 10 bucks starting with $1 entry 6 player turneys. and worked my way up to $10 entry in 3 days avaraging 4 hours per day! so I made it up to $100 in 3 days. winning almost every game out of dozens aside from getting tired lazy, and blowing my chip lead for a second place finish a couple times. Am I really that good of a player? HELL FU@%ing NO! but the cards were. I made several mistakes throught those games only to have the river save my ass. When I hit the $10 game my first hand was quad Queens against pocket Kings. I was the wreckless chip leader just dumping money on the pot untill i blew everybody away in record time. well the reverse negative happened and the last few games I CANNOT ESCAPE SOMEONE SUCKING ON ME AT THE RIVER. Now I get the dumbest calls and most unbelieveable suckouts. So from 10 up to 100 down to 45 now. All just a big joke to me because I knew that was going to happen, and thats why I got the whole thing on my screen recorder. SO you WANT FU@%ing proof I got some huh.
Even tho I dont know what morals are I know what the moral of the story is. No matter how much you try to learn in books or some chat forum "thats really here only to make affiliate money off you"
online poker is not about making the correct decision. or out playing you opponent. No matter how hard you try ITS SIMULATED LUCK provided you dont play like an absolute tard. WHEN ITS YOUR TURN TO WIN ITS YOUR TURN. pull the big handle because you playing a slot machine. and a rigged one at that.

Similar thing happened at Ultimatebet but I might have said enough

Im still waiting for a good challenge. why dont one of you challenge me on this post.

IW -

You act as if there is something wrong with poker sites and forums being out there as businesses to make money lol.

Well I am never eating in a restaurant again cause they are only there to take my money. I am never shopping in a store again cause they are only there to take my money. I am never buying a glass of wine in a pub again cause they are only there to take my money.

I am never spending another dime anywhere again.

Okay reality check - all businesses are run with the intention of making money. Sometimes that is the only reason - sometimes it is the primary reason, often there are other reasons as well.

We use them because they have something we want or need. We pay to play poker because we enjoy the game and/or wish to make money from it- somebody is providing us with a way to do that without even leaving our home. Of course they are gonna make money off of us - more power to them.

Poker forums - heck I spend a hell of a lot of time in this one and have never spent a dime in it. As a matter of fact I have turned a profit lol. Does it make money off of me? I sure as hell hope so! For what I get out of it - what a bargain for me.

But that wasn't your point was it?

Wooo, that's me!

Why are you not talking to me, though? I don't get it.

What kind of a challenge are you looking for?

Lol, I was wondering the same thing. I'm the "why is she here girl," how nice. Why am I here, uh lets see, because this is a poker forum, and I'm a poker player. The correlation in not that hard of a connection to make, pretty straight forward.

Yay, he talked about me!!!!

Was there actually a point in there? I must have missed it.

FYP

That was my point lol.

Post the screen recorder stuff you did with the necessary statistical analysis. Obviously this will be quite a big file as presumably you are referring to tens of thousands of hands rather than a couple of suck-outs that prove your. When this proves your point then I'm sure everyone will apologise for doubting you.

And would you like the name of the thread to be changed to "Online Poker Forums are Rigged!!!!!"? Because that seems to be the basis of your argument. After all if you can't debate using evidence, then question the integrity of the people you are debating with instead.

Seeing as he's come up with nicknames for us all, I suggest we afford him the same courtesy. "Instantwhiner" comes to mind as does "Fox Mulder".

We're still waiting for proof and not stupid speculation. Your entire rambling is pretty much just like me saying "HAY GUYZ THE GIRL BEHIND THE COUNTER AT THE COFFEE SHOP LOOKED AT ME FUNNY TODAY ZOMG IT MUST BE RIGGED - WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN TO GET A NICE CUP OF COFFEE YOU WILL BUT THE QUALITY OF THE COFFEE IS SIMULATED".

Also, am I 'dooshbag' (sic)? If so, yay!

Uh, yeah...got that.

What about "InsolentWhiner"?

Sorry, I think that was for Joose. I'm afraid you've been left out.