"is online poker fixed"ill tell you somethin you should think about

This is in reply to the previous thread.First of all dont get mad at your bad beats because some peoples game is to specificly break you.they watch the way you play and if they got somethin that they know will break you theyll play it.

I dont think you need to worry about the way the cards are dealt.More so the house you are playing for.Ive heard some sites having "BOTS", posing as real people but playing for the house and making the house money.I wouldnt doubt it for a second.It would be so easy for sites to do such things.They really dont care if you lose all your money, they are there to MAKE money!

Sometimes the truth hurts.Have a good day

I would not worry about bots or if the cards are fixed. There is so much competition for gamers right now why would any legit site try to cheat. Party, Paradise, Poker Stars, Pacific, Full Tilt, etc. don't need a bot to make money.

The trick is you need to just play solid poker and you can do well online.

I would be more worried about the people you are playing against. What if you sit down at an open table and 3-5 of the people there already are friends and are on yahoo messanger, ICQ, MSN messanger and sharing info just to bust you out. The can raise and reraise and push because they know what each other has.

That's an interesting theory and I've wondered about it in the past myself. Actually though, I don't think they need to do that to make money, do they? I do think the randomizer some poker sites use are legit but not realistic, poor hands seem to get rewarded way too often, instead of punished like they should, shame on them. However, that said, once you've realized that the site has a randomizer that rewards poor hands yet you continue to play there anyway, and continue to get beat by crappy starting hands, I'd have to say "shame on you". There was one thing said in an earlier thread that struck me as a good explanation, and may explain why some sites seem to have less of these bad beats than others. If you are playing at tables where the players are a little better than the on-line norm, and they call when they're supposed to call, and fold when they're supposed to fold, etc, than you would expect to see alot fewer flops than if you were at a table of Tards. Following that logic, by virute of seeing more flops, it is possible that you'd also see more weak hands win. They are statistically doomed for failure, but in the hand that knocks you out of the MTT, they are saying to themselves "I put in my thumb, and pulled out a plum, what a good boy am I"!! I think the best advice I can offer is to play to avoid going all in during the 1st half of the MTT unless you have the nutz or have the other guys chips covered. I have found as you get closer to the money, the players that are remaining play a much better game of Holdem, and usually do what they are supposed to.

sites would shoot themselves in the foot if it got out that bots were being used for the house benefit

they make so much money it would just be business sucide, thats why i have no concerns about it

as for randomizers, if the cards coming out are feeling natural is it random?

online poker is definitely rigged.

It's been said that if 2 people know something it's not a secret.

Along that thought it would be extremely risky for a site to use bots. It takes more than 1 person to put up even a second rate site. Any site using bots would be subject to extortion by disgruntled developers wanting more money or by hackers who might try to hack into the bots. And an intelligent bot that could win the money for the house, without looking like it actually knows what its opponents have, wouldn't be that easy to program in the first place.

Collusion using IM software is a potential problem. But the solution is simple. Instead of allowing players to select their table, simply have the players select a game and a limit and possibly the number of players and assign a table radomly a'la tournaments. If a player doesn't like the game a new seat at another table is randomly assigned. Much harder for angle shooters to get together at a common table.

I remember reading that that the online poker industry makes 2 billion a year. When they're pulling at least a million or two a day (I think I heard that as a figure for some sites) why would they need to cheat? There will always be bots, but the fact is that there still isn't a good AI for playing against multiple people. In fact the primary research into poker AI is being done at the university in the city I live in.

Chevelle.. Why on earth have you made a new thread for this? Thats confused me very much indeed! Especialy as you clearly say it is a reply!!!!

never the less people reaidng this thread, I did not mention at all any poker bots. Chevelle, where did you get that from? :/ Please READ My posts and replies fully before commenting on them!

Thank you.