Omaha question

What pocket range is actually considered good in Omaha? Are pocket 10s good? Or beat most of the time?

I started playing .01 / .02 Omaha for the first time today, I made a few bucks (brought $1, left with $15 lol)

But some I'm not sure what hands are good or not.

I'm guessing I just don't know the odds, because now everyone has 4 cards and I'm guessing odds are a lot different from hold em...

Ex:

I got dealt 666J

I'm guessing that's a bad hand since there is now an almost impossible chance of me getting a 6 and it only counts as if I have pocket 6s. So that's a fold hand right?

And my first straight flush, and on the flop!

Dealt to alenchik [9h Qh Ac 8c]
goingfishin2: calls $0.02
Sampson993: checks
tdr1962: folds
bob2971: calls $0.02
X-Mac: calls $0.01
alenchik: raises $0.10 to $0.12
goingfishin2: calls $0.10
Sampson993: folds
bob2971: folds
X-Mac: folds
*** FLOP *** [Th Jh 8h]

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Thanks dj. Definitely had amazing hands during my little session if this was hold em :P

generally yes, fold it.

first let me say this " dont listen to me " poket tens are ok but you have four cards they are not good alone but if you got some shots at high st8 to go with them maybe , you dont want anything but the nut flush 99% of the time so flush value isnt great with the ten unless you got an ace with it.they say like aa kk double suited is the best or any high pairs double suited or high st8 connectors suited , more than two is good, but me now ,i play alot of mediocore hands looking for that nut flop , which often is crammed by the river , but i just play tight mostly cause a very good hand is usually coming for someone by the river. everyone has so so many outs. congrats on the st8 flush on the flop ,hope someone had the ace rag hearts to make a good pot. gl ark

Omahahahaha is NOT HOLDEM!!! That is the biggest mistake one can make in Omaha. The aggression necessary in hold'em will often get you in trouble in Omaha.

Omaha is the king of draw games. What you hold preflop means next to nothing, OK, not that close to next to nothing.

I did really well this morning playing 2 suited hands, high connectors, and almost any pair, however, the almost any pair is not a hand you want to compete hard for. If you have big pair, QQ, KK, AA or the like, AND other cards that fit, i.e. JT or suited matches to the big cards, then it is worth seeing.

I am not a fan of preflop raising in Omaha.

Most players these days think the sole key to poker is aggression. Aggression surely has its place, but holdem is the place for preflop aggression. In stud it has its uses, but is overused by transplanted holdem players. In Omahahahaahah, it is so easy to flop a tot6al disaster that aggression should be tempered .

Beware any no limit Omaha game. Practice with play money before you jump into Omaha.

I had fun at the .01 / .02 PL Omaha table though. I brought a $1 and with A LOT of aggression (raising almost any playable hand the max I could). But after 3 hands, I quickly thought of the "2 clovers + 2 hearts" that are high cards are good cause you have 2 flushes you can catch, etc.

I played off instinct and lost very, very few hands that I played after the flop. I guess it was because it is the .01 / .02 tables and they will call with almost anything all the way to the river then just fold their hands when they didn't catch the out they were looking for...

generally?


always fold trips in your hand, even if its Hi/Low and you hold AAA2 you fold it.


update from you last post,

there is nothing wrong with raising preflop in omaha, but you need to look at your hand values better. Like for instance a hand like QT26 is not as good as something like 459T because the 2nd hand is more connected then the 1st. Sets are not as strong in omaha then in holdem unless the set also has some sort of draw like if you had AhKh9d9s and flop is 9h2sJh because now you have nut flush draw and pair. You should raise your playable hands in position only though.

I read this whole guide, and not what I'm looking for.

I played Omaha, not Hi/Lo Omaha. And in normal Omaha do I HAVE to use 2 of my cards? Or is that only Hi/Lo?

yes you do, you have to use 2 and only 2 of them.


regardless it being Hi or Low you still always open fold trips in hand, I used the AAA2 as example in Hi/Low though because players overplay their A2 hands.

ya i agree u do fold trips..but one time this is kind of crazy i was playing hi/lo and had AAA2 flop came 345...and dont really remember turn and river but i won the hand with str8 and 5432a low...won both hi and low...kind of lucky lol

What the heck? Were you playing cards or eating Lucky Charms?

Wow I'm retarded, clubs is what I meant

Here's a thought.
Omaha being the huge drawing game it is, no matter what you hold at a full table, preflop, IT IS NOT SAFE !

AAKK 2 suited? Loses to a mid card straight too often to consider it really strong. Fill several paragraphs here with your own takes on great starting hands gone south.

My take on it is that I want to exert as much control over a pot as I can. I know others will raise the pot, and I know that most of the time they have no clue. So I can call, ride along and steal when I bet big on the turn or river. Or I can see that my holdings are going nowhere and quietly drop out of the bidding.

This concept changes radically at a shorthanded table. There, raises do get respect. But at full tables, it is a bad strategy to raise in a limit game without having made a hand, which CAN NOT happen until the flop is seen.

There are a range of hands that offer good opportunities to continue, a pig pair combined with suits and connectors for example.

Above is my take on Omaha Hi. For Hi/Lo, preflop raises are unnecessary, the rest of the table will cap it for you way to often. Existing text will suggest you aim at scooping (taking both hi and lo). Great theory, impractical in practice most of the time. I think the same preflop hand analysis applies, but with the added importance of aces, and if the hand is likely to be good lo, it will probably want backup lo cards. AA23 2 suited would be a gem of a hand.

Certainly for someone new to Omaha no limit would/could be disastrous.

ALL Omaha is 2 from yer hand,3 from the board, every time no more and no less. "4 is right out" . And anyway, why not play Hi/Lo? Absolutely THE greatest mind bending card game of 'em all!

Pre-flop raising is important in Omaha H/L, but it depends on position and likely responses of other players. Some tables pre-flop will often be capped, but not most of the ones I've played on. A passive table can be very good, because then you can either raise to thin the field, or get in cheap to see a more speculative hand (like a weak A2-type hand).
There is a common mistake of thinking that because the pre-flop hands are closer in value, and there are so many more combinations possible, that you should play more hands... the opposite is true - because while in Holdem you're looking to improve, and 2 pair is often a winning hand, in Omaha 2 pair is generally junk, even top 2 pair, because of the number of combinations each player has. As a result you want to look for hands which have more likelihood of making the best possible hand.
Flushes are still of use, but they're not particularly bettable unless they're Ace-high, when playing High-Low, playing the 2nd best low hand is a suckers game (unless you have the nuts for the high hand as well or suitable draws) and so on... so you pick cards that are more likely to give you either the nuts or nothing. A2XX is therefore much better than 23XX in High-Low, because you can make a nut high hand with the Ace, AND it's much more likely to make the nut low rather than 2nd best.
And as has already been mentioned, never ever forget that it's just 2 from your hand, otherwise you'll bet a straight or flush that you don't have, and this a mistake that I think all regular Omaha players have made at some point or other, and can be expensive (particularly in Pot Limit).

I have to tell you if i am playing in an omaha high game either 2 pprs.I like to see suites in omaha flushes are very common and i want my hands to be high flushes if im gonna hit

for omaha, u want 2 pprs, double suited (AAKK is best); i happen to favor omaha hi/lo, because there's the opportunity to chase the low hand (especially favorable when many people are playing in the hand) and take half the pot while evrybody else is fighting for the high hand (in hi/lo, the best hand is AA23, double-suited); and always fold if you're dealt a set (chasing a one-outer is not smart; the only time i would even consider playing a hand with 3 of a kind down is if the table is 3 handed or heads up, and even then only if it's aces or kings; otherwise the odds are too good that an opponent will hit 2 pair). also 4 of the same suit (and in my conservative opinion, even three of the same suit) is a hand not worth playing- flush possiblity is too low (b/c you can only use 2 of those cards).

now, i'm no expert at omaha, but I think I'm above average, and I can figure odds pretty decently (although you should know that in omaha, it is rare that the preflop odds for a given hand is any better than 60% or so).

i hope this helps u out, and GL on the felt
-highpack

Any pocket pair is ok to call a blind.. but have a good straight or flush or both possibility to go with it.. since you only have about 5% chance to flop a set you will be chucking these tens away 95% of the time, which is really a waste of you pre flop calling money.. suited high pairs are very good, and a hand like 5cQc6hKh is usually also very good, since you have two high flusah draws and to wide ranged straight possibility's..