Official Absolute scandal thread

I think I'm in love! (with Denise Pernula, not Mark Seif)

could be a clear case push push push ,pot commited

I use to be able to make the money in Absolute Poker's freerolls fairly frequently, but since they upgraded their software I can't get even close. Scary thing is, accept for the avatars, the site looks and plays a lot like fulltilt - another suspect site.

Some sites are just tough to take seriously. Absolute Poker and Full Tilt Poker top the list.

There is nothing remotely suspect about Full Tilt and it looks nothing like Absolute.

I dunno man, this one time my AA lost to Q3o on Full Tilt.

I'd bet at least five of every ten players on fulltilt would have a different opinion...but you know what PT Barnum said...lol

Wow. You don't get much more conspiracy theorist-ish

I absolutely agree with this ^^^^


You're willing to bet that half the players at Tilt think it's suspect but are playing there anyway? Um............why would they do that?

Have you been eating my chocolate biscuits Mr Bailey?

Wow, that sure is a lot of money in play at once!! They'd better bet carefully when you're playing for such high amounts of money I think!!

Poker cheats plain and simple, they cheat the one that really cares.

and the lesser known PT barnum quote: "tolstoy on cardschat is a moron"

Shouldn't the sites that issue these super user accounts have to serialize them and track where they are. It's like having a direct link to a casino's cash. What about the other sites. Shouldn't they have to disclose the use of such programs?

Even if accounts called 'super user' existed as a matter of format, it is not an 'account' as such, but more likely knowing the 'how to' access the program with a .exe file, not an actual user account 'number'. But it certainly would be possible to place an alert status on the program anytime it is accessed.

The only other problem with this is the 'trusted' people with access to the base software installing a trojan horse format where the system itself does not even know it is being accessed.

Cheaters use cheating devices and systems because they believe they cannot be detected, not always because they have access to a system.

absolute poker is a cheating site, fullstop.
im in the uk , they had 1500 dollars in my account they wouldnt giveme,
i sent 15 faxes with proof of i.d they said they never recived
i then sent another from my solicitors office, they recived that, then changed my user adress to the usa so i couldnt cash out.
this is still on going after 9 months.....
do not use this site it is corrupt.

I am confident I would be safe with freerolls (that I fairly consistently win $ on) and my low buy in tourneys since anyone that could see hole cards would only be playing at tables I can't imagine myself sitting at

i saw some of the table reconstuction and it was something to see.i just can't believe the guy would be so greedy or stupid not to "throw" some of the hands so the cheating would not be so obvious.it was making me mad just to watch it so i can't imagine how pissed the actual players involved would have been.i'm not sure but i think it was at neverwin if someone wants to try and fid the thread.disturbing to say the least

Just out of curiousity I took a look at Absolute Poker today and up pops a link to this:

Safe Online Poker Gaming at Absolute Poker

Very clever for these guys to act as though nothing EVER happened!
"The Most Trusted Site on the Internet"...BWAAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA!

No surprise. What else could we expect? A warning that "gaming here could be hazardous to your wealth"? They are no different than the politicians who say they want your vote because they have done so much and promise to do more, except they never mention the special interests, graft, corruption, etc. Compare to the Exxon type corporations that ask consumers to trust them that we are getting a fair deal at the pumps.

Although the superuser account fiasco should have ended their online presence, give it a month or two. No one will remember and no one will care, except for the isolated few that were the victims.

cheaters are out there, beware.

most people complain about bad beats but this sounds legite 2 me

Its was a inside job, not the actually site, but someone inside. Someone one who knows the software.

Throughout history, gambling of any kind has been a magnet for cheaters. Even though many of the sites do a lot to eliminate cheating, it just cannot be possible to make every site 100% cheat free.

Take a site like Pokerstars (and it's my personal belief they are one of the sites spending more than the others on security). They claim over 9 million members. We can't all be foolish enough to believe that there are NO cheaters among those 9 million members.

The one area that really concerns me is the single table games, SnG and cash ring. In a different forum recently one member was describing how his fellow college students gather with their laptops to get on the same table for collusion. Makes it about a 50% superuser account with no way to detect the cheats. They are using this method to pay for their college costs or party poker life.

The second area of concern is nearly the same collusion. With cell phones, IM and online chat, collusion between numerous players could also be virtually undetectable.

Whether cheaters are sophisticated or crude, they often get caught, but never stops the others from trying. Even if you play live tables, you are still subject to house shills, card markers, collusion artists, etc.

I've seen a lot of forum posters say they are not worried about cheaters being at their FR or micro-limit tables. They are everywhere. It's only the difference between a bank robber and a petty thief who pockets a pack of gum at the grocery store. They are both thieves. On another forum that holds FR's, there are constantly FR entries that have quite obvious indications of multiple accounts and these are FREErolls which do pay cash prizes. Small ones, but still cash. These multiple account users cannot just be using them for one forum's freerolls, can they?

Bottom line is - if you gamble, beware. It's ALL part of the gamble.

Been playing on party poker, pokerstars, and full tilt for 3 years.
and I am a winner my ROI is 25%.
I am also a computer programmer.
Every online site is 100% fixxed.
5 community cards all all 3 sites have ace high or better 95% of the time.
Action cards bring in more bets and more rakes.
If you watch on every site the flops are always pairing or hitting an ace.
They also control how much you win and how much you lose.
There is a reason why pokerstars only allows one account per computer.
Sign up a new account on any site and get great cards. They want to make sure they keep you as a customer. Ive cashout over 40times on pokerstars alone. After every cashout and I mean every cashout I tilt. Trash the site and you will never finish in the money again with the user account. I have multiple accounts on multiple sites when their new I win when they old you lose. Also the amount of site bots sitting at the table working off unlimited bankrolls from the site they just take your money.
You can make money online I do, (not much) but after 3 years you see patterns. Deal yourself out five cards see how often you hit a pair. Now go look online and watch the 5 community cards on any site and watch how amazing those 5 cards are 95 % of the time. I played 8 hours a day almost 7 days a week for 3 years. There is no one regulating these sites, and no one can stop them from taking as much money as they want. There should be all shiut down and thrown in jail. Not to mention all the sports channels and pro players who attached their names to these very very dishonest companies. I still play for pennies cause I got nothing better to do and I cant leave the house but anyone who says these sites are not fixed or rigged to bring in more rakes must have been dropped on their head when they were born , or they are employee's , family, friends, co owenrs of one of the sites. Anyone who plays poker knows 5 community cards dont hit an ace or pair 95 % of the time. This is by fay the most obvious part of these sites fixxing. Not to mention sign up multiple accounts and watch your luck change. They control the cards and they control your bankroll. Pokerstars, Party Poker, Absoulte, Full Tilt, are all run by men who range in the age of 20 -40 and and greedy as hell.

hi not possible.

that story above is so retarded i hope its a joke lol

and if its a joke you pwn

No Joke , login into pokerstars , everytime you see 5 cards on the table write them down. You will be really surprised when you see how many times those 5 cards pair or at least hit ace high, almost 95% of the time. Party Poker Flops are insane aak, kka, 44a, 55a, aa4, kk3, PartyPoker is the most obvious their community cards pair more than they dont.

please don't pollute a serious thread with this crap, thanks. there are plenty of threads where conspiracists such as yourself can unite and share your 'observations'.

on topic: the 'findings' from the Absolute 'audit' are due today apparently.

Dorkus, I think zidane is right. This whole online poker thing is starting to seem phonier than a three dollar bill. Full Tilt is way up there on the phony list.

I agree with his (zidane's) reasoning totally. The number of insane things pounding us on a daily basis is enough to convince anyone. Let me give you a little example from Full Tilt.

Every night at 12 Midnight Eastern Time they have the Midnight Madness tournament. There's a good size prize pool, and if you come in first or second in a satellite, it only costs you $3 to play. I've done it many times. The buy-in without the satellite is $10.

Watch it this week. At 10 minutes to start there will be about 250 entries. The tournament has 216 payouts. Two minutes before it starts there might be 500 entries. And then at start time there are 1500. Hunh? Check it out for yourself. All day long 216 entries and then in the last 2 minutes it fills 1500. Oh, I know, they're all sitting there waiting to the last minute to register. Ok.

Then during the first few rounds, try talking to the bots. Maybe you might get one or two real people who answer you, but you'll never get all of them to.

But here's the point, and zidane is right on the money. Sooner or later you'll get some insane group of community cards to knock you out on a hand that wins 9 times out of 10 at a freeroll or a simple one table sit n go, (say $10 buy-in).

They're getting subtle too, but I'm sure their developers have plenty of features to implement.

Here's a good one. You get A9s, there are a couple of small bets, three players remain, the flop is AK6 rainbow, and it's back to you. Now, you make a judgement call. You could be right or wrong, but you reason that nobody has AK, AQ, AJ or A10, or AA, or KK, and that unless someone has pocket 66s you have the best hand.

He has pocket 66.

If that happens to you once, you figure, "hey, good call on my part." If it happens to you twice, you figure, "wow that's odd, what are the chances of that?" By the third time you've switched to "what the f__k?!" By the fourth time, it's, "oh ok, I see, this is like the slot machine that used to be paying, but doesn't pay anymore."

You see the thing that they have working against them, is that there are too many people out here like zidane and myself that worked in software groups, or made software ourselves. Some things are obvious.

No, I think Zidane was right on the money with his observations, and that we have to be real careful about thinking this whole online poker thing is legit.

What, you think Absolute just happen to get caught and that's the only time it happened? Ha!


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"In New Jersery everything's legal as long as you don't get caught." Bob Dylan

Any time someone brings up a hand history in a discussion about poker being rigged, whatever they say automatically becomes non-credible. Seriously, you never see anyone saying "I called a raise preflop with 66 and the flop came 335, villain went all-in and I called, he had A5, and my 66 held and I won a huge pot." Please keep your bad beat stories to the appropriate forum.

The flop didn't come 335 it came AK6. That's the first point. Secondly, who died and left you boss? I was very careful in phrasing my story to meet the requirements of the thread and Dorkus's direction. There's a subtlety here and if anyone can't grasp it, or disagrees with it, that's one thing, but don't tell me what to keep where. I think these things out carefully before I post them.

I havent played there for a long while, I'm pretty glad now. Theres probably the same thing going on at every site though.

What the Absolute Scandal showed us is that exactly what everybody was worried might happen, did happen.

When I first started playing online poker, I immediately started ticking off all the things that could be wrong. I didn't have any knowledge of anything being wrong, I simply approached it from a cautious stance. For instance, if you walk into a casino and plunk money down on a game there, it's logical to assume that the odds are against you.

I approached online poker the same way. My first thought was that I'm up against a casino, and by definition I'm going to lose. However, I also knew from experience that there would be periods where I was winning, and if I could indentify those, I had a fighting chance of winning long term. It's the same thing with the stock market, with the difference that the stock market is a little more legitimate. {A famous trader from the 50s by the name of Nicholas Darvas named his second famous book: "Wall Street, the Other Las Vegas."}

I also considered the fact that it's really in their best interest to make online poker legitimate. Nobody likes a welcher or a card cheat, so I figured sooner or later it's definitely going to be totally legitimate and honest.

On the other hand, I had to be realistic. Jesse Livermore, the greatest trader of all time, used to say, "don't be a sucker." That's it. Don't be a sucker. So, what could go wrong? What could be happening that would make me the sucker?

Well for one thing, in the early stages of development, they probably made accounts that would allow the observer to see the hole cards of all the players. Why would they do that? Because they can. And because someone testing the software would say, "let me see all the cards while I'm testing."

I had this conversation many times over six months ago, with various friends and colleagues of mine. So when the Absolute Poker scandal broke, my phone rang, "wow, that's exactly what you were saying."

The reason why I'm writing this is because I think there are other shoes yet to drop. My guess is that Ultimatebet is probably the most legitimate site out there, and that sites like Full Tilt are the norm and have a day of reckoning coming to them.

But it could be something as simple as the fact that the new RNGs are having things occur that nobody ever anticipated. An "unintended consequence."

We'll see.