Official Absolute scandal thread

i hate to post this on the web but it may put and end to the bullshit. i have personaly tried to cheat and have found variations of success. eithics go figure. i know for a fact that you can play several differant accounts at same time, same turny, same table. i saw it done by some one else by random chance. dicided to figure out how and give it a try. and guess what is was easy. BUT I COULD NOT FIND A WAY TO SEE ANYONES HOLE CARDS. maybe i should try a little harder. by the way i have never done this in a money game period. i just wanted to know how i could possibly be in a turny that started with 4000+ players and have 2 players at my table with the same pic of a chic. home photo. the more i asked them the less they played or said. and by the way they busted me out. so if you think you are being cheated you might be but not by the site.

cexandmoney

simple there are people out there tring to distory anything they believe is wrong or harm full to there belifes. suicide bombers, religous finatics and the like. the ends justify the means.

that was for seneku

What you are describing are ways that sleezy individuals try to find ways to cheat. That has nothing to do with what this thread is about. Of course you can not find a way to see hole cards - that is ridiculous. But an insider could.

Thanks For the Update Bombjack..
I have burned holes in my eyes reading page after page.. what like 70 pages of 96% Drivel OMGZ and Illiteracy Proofs it makes my head spin like the Exorcist!!!
I read the Blog Post and I looked over the Cliff Notes.
I don't have Poker tracker but for the sake of Proofs..
It is a good thing that a majority of the (Victims) have the Hand History, Compilations in order to have some record of the play down.

The Theories Include the IP Encryption Hack/Crack
A Trojan Bug attached as a packet to an Exe.Update,within Site Software in a Registry item. with a specific value. The Mention of this possible Trojan Lists Deleting it and having no effect on the OS or the SoftWare.
Then the Update that gets run during link to the Site it magically returns.

And of Course the Obvious is A Money Launder to one account.

The thought that kept coming to mind in the scheme, was these players were in different locations and in 'Cahoots' and Relaying their Hole Cards between themselves through a Chat, and that way having a knowledge of what is gone PF. But This Theory is only 'very low on the probability' scale of the latter and "General" consensus.

The other statements I read that seemed to have some 'Insider' Collusion...via. the mainframe of the RNG and slip in the piece of necessary data to allow a specific user to enter the 'set values' associated with the such and such update, withing their registry that ..
Poof Voila' Insta HOLE cards.

In the Event that an Investigation happens, the Understood Auditor (Price Waterhouse), is seperate from the RNG evaluator(ITECH).
And one person went on a fishing expedition in order to do more research to contact these 3rd parties..and found NO WAY to contact them directly. In their association with Absolute Poker. Whether by email, website,or Telephone.
The Theorist in the above search mentions that it is potential to do a 'switch'-replace withing the RNG Program, (I find this unlikely)
If there is a insert cheat pin here, and pull this pin if said "Commission" should be arriving. I the likes of Corporate Cheats shadow boxing,
Enron,Tyco, etc...
The other Theory is The CORPORATE slaughter of a Poker Room to Boost the other ones..
and a Perfect reason at an opportune time as Protesters are meeting with Congress in Wash. In Oct.
and The Anniversary of the mandate in passing. And to Solidify an 'Invisible' Monopoly.
(Multi-Billionaires can do strange and magical things with that Kinda Loot!)

It is more than likely to me a 3-4 way Money Launder and 2-3 happened to get in the way of it and became 'Victims' and by way of 'Donations' meaning collateral damage to the Operation.
**EXCEPT th Victims...were forum posters, (AH-Ha!!) then the opinions popped up.
One player I noticed was from Canada as a Victim. Contributor of HH.


The This I see in the utter 'suspicion' are the 5-5 PP Losing to the K-10 Push hand
and the 9-2 suited for the Flush hand..what kinda tell was there??

Anyway thats my 'Look' at it so far..
~This is not OVER~

"CANT" covers a lot of ground. Did you write the program? And i dont think you cant disscount likely hood. there is a lot of super smart scum out there.

cexandmoney

MY question is.... are these super user accounts still... playing on absolute poker?

That would just be too funny if they were still being allowed to play. I'll just assume they hopefully banned them.

Someone check for me :P

What cexandmoney is referring to seems to me like the typical frat house gang of thieves that play in the dorms and share hole cards and join tournaments or S&G's to the same events. So when they are seated together they can collude through chat outside the table.
-I have heard about this sort of activity for years now, and one of the main reasons I dont play $ Ring games, and stick to MTT's & S&G's of 27-45 players. It may be harder to win but I feel a buffer from that element.
-The same picture thing perhaps is one user under different names,
playing 2 accounts with 2 lap-tops or what have you.
yet it sort of defeats the purpose as You need Valid, Legitimate means to cash out winnings.

~Thats a different thread though.~

If you read the details about the 'Investigation'..You will..
I have read 70 pages of Forum BS and 5 pages of Proofs..and then..
the Summary on it on 15 pages copied to Word--and The Notes..
Do your own reading and form your own view and learn the answer.
It would be really laughable to have them still playing,
since the 'Jig is UP'...wouldnt you think...??
how many 1000's of people hassled Absolute with emails and there must be 100's of forums discussing this very issue not to mention the other PokerGaming Sites and Magazine sites putting a Buzz out there.
with Public release though You NEED 'ABSOLUTE PROOF' (no pun intended)
or else you are going to face Slander,defamation, and Loss of Livelyhood Class Action Law-suits against..
Read it and devise if they are still playing..if you care..LOL

A lawsuit for libel would be most interesting as their cause of action would be for making untrue statements about the way their software works when the use of that software in the manner described is illegal in the US...

Now they are saying they found Bots on Full TILT..
OMG the World is going to Hell inna Handbasket..
Poker Bot acounts have been found to be in operation.

World Poker Game News * FULL TILT CONFIRMS BOT BUST

I can't take it anymore ...I'm going to go play some Freerolls On PokerStars
and Get busted out by a good old fashioned Donkey!!!

~The Wild Wild West is Back,
Dead Mans Hand, Gun-and Beer-slingers Bring out yer dead!!~

you can look at whole cards theres software out there that allows this.I world no cheat but I do know how to get it

Well the Accusers are wanting answers, and the site listed by Bombjack was created to have Absolute clarify, still waiting for a reply.
and the Boss of this forum emailed for answers and got,,well read it wayy ^^^ back..
If it is illegal then I am sure hoping that whomever is doing the investigation is of Credible-ability to determine, and the Right thing to do is to make a Public statement to State such findings.
What is the Hold-up on this..they are losing credibility by not doing a Press release about the Allegations.
That's what I think...
Get to the Bottom of it Release the Proof of Guilt of Innocence, and deem the Parties involved Criminally charged or explain the pages and Pages of the Highly Improbable, 0 losses on the River.
I mean I play a 4 hr. MTT and my % at SD is at best 78% seeing 45% of the flops...that is playing a TAG game ..not LAG like this Greycat...
~anyway I am sick to my stomach about this and Now Full TILT!!!
WTF!!~~

Yeah I posted the You Tube thing to this..earlier in this post

Oi! There ain't nothing wrong with my head!

Quote from the report: Usernames are Graycat and Doubledrag and Potripper.


So you are saying that Robwhufc is NOT user DOUBLEDRAG on Absolute?

confirm this for me pls.

No. He's just "taking the piss" as the Brits say.

Yeah OZ is all good!! Oi. Just tell me where to find the nearest Puke Pail.
So I can hurl

I haven't read the whole of this thread, because Ive spent along time reading about this all over the net.

I dont know about super-user accounts or anything like that, apparently they have been suspected many times before but that seems a little far-fetched to me.

What does seem possible, and hasnt really been mentioned yet. Is that if a player was to obtain the ip & mac addresses of all the players at his table. And understood the encryption used between server and poker client, a simple "man-in-the-middle" attack would give them everyones hole cards.

That would lend credibility to this possibly being an ex-employee or consultant who knows the encryption methods used very well.

Ive seen it posted (on other forums) that these accounts have played just as poorly in the past and lost substantially, this could easily of been testing/refining the system until they had it mastered and started cleaning up.

This method would also explain the blatant abuse of their knowledge.. they are not worried about being caught because it would be virtually impossible. No moddified clients, no server hack, just traffic mirroring and then decryption done when the (other players) traffic reaches them.

This would take alot of hardware, software coding, TCP/IP and encryption knowledge but to me seems more believable than a super-user.


Or have they just cracked absolutes shuffle?? its been done before

I've no clue how they did it - there are many possibilities such as the ones you mention. It is clear however that Absolute's security has been compromised somehow and it's up to Absolute to work out how it was done.

In the meantime, why is CardsChat still promoting Absolute Poker? They have done nothing except deny it ever happened.

Here is a random post of his taken from march of this year:

Ultimatebet buy-in [March 4]
Blowed if can find it! Isn't it supposed to be in 15 mins? or have i missed it??
__________________
Been saying poker's rigged for 18+ months.


Robwhufc on Pokerstars
erniebilko on Titan
robhammer on Ultimate Bet
DOUBLEDRAG on Absolute

My no wonder I don't get the Brisitish sense of humour. Its too 'advanced' for me....

LOL OMAIGOD WE FOUND HIM AT CC

umm, not to spoil the fun that i'm sure some people would have had with you, but when someone changes their sig it changes the sig in all their older posts too.

can we get back to talking about how much absolute sucks now?

Innocent until proven guilty, I'd imagine. Sure, this is a compelling case, but remember that nobody's actually been proven guilty of anything yet.

Mmmm. How come my older posts don't have my sig then?

Anyway. Regardless of that, he supports West Ham so I say hang him!


DaFrench1AFC!!!

Because this subject has interested me I took a liitle time to check it out for myself. My conclusion after reading all the docs is this:

There is absolutely NO proof that there exists any super-accounts that have been used by the users above to see hole cards. This claim is pure speculation by poker nerds who have been investigating the hand histories and came to the conclusion that 'he must be able to see the whole cards to call/bet'. Here is a much simpler explanation. People have been using Absolute Poker to launder money, the users that have lost to DoubleDrag, Potripper, etc did it deliberately. They don't need to 'see' the hole cards because either the 'users' were all controlled by one person dumping chips from the other accounts to DoubleDrag, Potripper, etc. or they are in fact in different locations and just tell Doubledrag their cards through MSN or other IM. TO MAKE SURE THAT HE WINS THE HAND.

My conclusions are based on the fact that the majority of hands did not reach showdown, i.e. the other users raised/called then folded, the ones that did get to showdown and are analysed were the ones that Doubledrag was winning anyway. Also, he is playing the same opponents over and over again. And we are talking about users that see 96% of flops and win most of them.

With laws now allowing law enforcement agencies to 're-coup' the proceeds of crime, if caught doing whatever they are doing to get the money in the first place this transferring of the money allows for Q:so wheres the money? A: I lost it all playing high stakes poker on Absolute, or the flip side Q: How do you account for all this money you have A: I won it playing high stakes poker on Absolute!!

Isn't that simpler?

Considering the majority of the players who lost money to these guys are regular 2p2 high stakes players, your theory is somewhat debatable.

In the hands posted, the 'non-cheaters' play is generally exactly what one would expect. I don't see how you can class the play by anyone other than Potripper/etc as suspect.

Plus Absolute Poker has closed Potripper & co's accounts, but the accounts of the people who they won most of the money from are still open.

Plus your theory doesn't account for the MTT where Potripper folded 4 out of 20-something hands, with an opponent having AA-QQ on 3 of the occasions he folded (there was no showdown on one).

'Superuser' may seem like a stretch of the imagination, but it's more feasible than your explanation.

That doesn't explain how he won a tournament where he dominated the final table and called an eventual all in with ten high against 9 high.

What would you consider to be "actual proof"? If you know anything about poker and how to interpret the statistics on their play, plus the hand histories, it's absolutely clear that these players were cheating.

@DaFrench - The money laundering theory is just wrong because there are many easier ways to transfer money between accounts in heads-up matches etc. (In fact there were some hands which showed this was going on between the suspect accounts.) But this wouldn't involve the high stakes regulars, and they wouldn't then start complaining about cheating on public message boards.

FWIW I'm boycotting CardsChat until the Absolute Poker link disappears. Bye...

Bombjack: see your PM inbox please.

Well I notice the Absolute link has gone... what can say except good work Nick!

Maybe now they'll start taking the security of their customers a little bit more seriously.

wkonevich you are right 100%. It is seen so much in my play time with how the whiners think that they should have the winning hand all the time. Poker is a game of chance luck and skill of reading other players. Watching there betting patterns online and what they stay with when the hand is over. Most players who complain about loosing hands and thinking that the site is rigged never play on real tables it happens there just as it does online. The only reason it seems more online is that most players play very frequent online than that on real tables. This is my own opinion though