"The Nuts" ..... what exactly does it mean?

On another forum (not poker related) they are arguing about the meaning of The Nuts.

One guy says you can have the nuts post flop, because it's the best hand at the moment, even though it could lose by being outdrawn on later streets.

Another guy says, no, the nuts means your hand can't be beat no matter what comes up on later streets. (I agreed with this).


The final word?

You can look at it a few ways IMO, or you can look at it as a whole

AA preflop is the nuts
AsKs with a AdAcKc flop is the nuts
JcTc with the above flop and a Qc turn is the nuts

I personally look as the nuts being the best hand on the flop that has no way of being beat afterward.
Say a flopped straight flush or a flopped full house with no possibility of quads or a straight flush

the nuts = a hand that cannot be beat, no matter what comes up on later street. you can flop the nuts, or get the nuts on the turn, and even get the nuts on the river.

IMO
"The Nuts" is the best had at the time of flop,turn, or river
"The absolute Nuts" is when the hand can not be beat no mater what the turn, or river holds.

No hand should be considered the "nuts" preflop

for instance,

you have AK spades, flop comes Qh Jd 10c. You have the nuts. Turn comes 4c, you no longer have the nuts as another club can give a flush. 5spades comes on the river and now you have the absolute nuts, you can not be beat. There are others that will argue, and with a valid point, that you do not have the absolute nuts if you can be tied. I dont agree, but wont argue against that point of view.

I think the nuts is a straight or better on the flop. At the time it can't be beaten, but you still might be later out drawn on the turn or the river. But then your stress ball out and squeeze it.

I have always taken the Nuts to be an ultimate - as in: It is the best hand possible that wins it outright

So you can't have the nuts on the flop if the turn and river make the nuts something else.

But you can catch Nuts on the flop, given the correct circumstances.

I think another question along this line is
Where do all the actual names come from

The Nuts - eerrr squirrels like nuts?
Flop - Ok flop over 3 cards - I can sort of see that
Turn - turn over 1 card - getting pretty weak though
River - meh? what? some sort of link to 'Take me to the river, wash me down'

Perhaps I should go back to poker school to learn these things, anyone willing to be my tutor/mentor?

8 4 offsuit. IMO

Cowboy has the correct definition.

= wrong.


= wrong again.


= also wrong.


Please, guys, if you don`t know the answer to the question, don`t drown out the man who does.

Actually, at this point, you still have the nuts but not the absolute nuts since it can be beat.

Myself, I dont consider I have the nuts until the river...flopping quads or boats and losing on the river happens all the time, or in Omaha 8, flopping the nut low doesnt mean you cant be counterfeited, so I start thinking about having the nuts only when it comes time for river betting.
Altho I see the distinction cowboy makes, and towst, myself I dont think I have it until I absolutley have it; anything else is just a temporary situation, and that aint nuts.
Only real or absolute nut flop would be royal flush spades.

FYP

Nuts means best, "Stone cold Nuts" "absolute Nuts" means can't be beaten example Four of a kind aces when the remaining board cards cannot make a straight flush.

It is possible to have the nuts on the Flop and not on the turn as the turn card can change what the nut hand is. Example holding Pocket AA's on a AsKh8c board. Pocket AA are the current nuts. The turn brings the Qd making j/10 the new nuts but not the abosute nuts as it is possible although highly unlikey the fourth Ace can fall on the river.

I hope that all makes sense.

Simply the best hand possible at the moment.

Cashews are good.

Taken from Negreanu's Power Hold'em Strategy's glossary

nuts: The best possible hand given the cards on board

so if you have a hand by the turn that can be beat by the river...you never had the nuts. If the board gives you an Ace high flush with no possibility of a str8 or royal flush then you can have the nut flush, which is the highest flush possible at that point in time, but if someone hits a boat on the river, then technically you never had THE "nuts"

wat

I am freakin speechless

Oh, for Heaven`s sake, this is getting ridiculous.

You have quoted the correct definition without understanding it.

"nuts: The best possible hand given the cards on board"

Means, obviously, that when an additional card is added to the board, the nuts may change.

I say again, Cowboy`s definition is correct.

Or try this definition, and note carefully how it says "at any point of the game".

lol why are there "imo"'s in a definition?

"imo a monkey is a 6-legged insect that builds webs".

There is a definition of what the nuts are. The nuts are simply the best possible hand. Sometimes people exaggerate a bit and will for example call mid set on a dry board the nuts. Obviously that's wrong, but you understand what they mean. Absolute or stone cold nuts I don't believe mean impossible to be beaten either. Pretty sure they're just ways of emphasizing that you have the nuts, the hand that is 100% best at the moment.

But for example, you have AcKc on a 3c4c5c board, you do NOT have the nuts. In fact if you have Ac2c on that board you do not have the nuts.

Another example that throws people, AAKKx board. You had Ax, you do not have the nuts because KK beats you. Same board, you have AK, you have the nuts because you cannot be beat, even though your hand is the same in both.

lol nutaments, lets define spewtard instead

me

Just to echo.

Nuts = best hand possible at the time

Absolute nuts = unbeatable hand whatever cards may come on turn or river

Taken from pokerwiki:

The nuts is a common poker term for the best possible hand. The term is generally only used in variants of poker that use community cards, such as Hold 'em and Omaha, since the possible number of hands a player can have is limited, and it's usually easy to determine what the best possible hand would be.
Note that the nuts is not the best hand that a player actually has, but is instead the best possible hand. It frequently occurs that no player actually has the nuts.
Learning to recognize the nuts for a given board is an important skill in poker; top players can name the nuts for a board instantly.

Obviously we have different opinioins on THE NUTS. I was always under the assumption that yes you can flop the nuts with a flush or straight etc, but until the hands over you dont have THE nuts

The stuff in bold is just saying that the nuts is not the same thing as the winning hand.

Everything you've posted is in agreement with everyone else.

lol this topic is great.

it's not a matter of opinion, you are wrong.

Ok i think that it means you can not be beat you have to know that when you see the flop, But ok you have a nut fl AK sp 347 sp comes up on the flop guess what the guy on the right of you has 56 sp well he has the nut st fl so you really just look at your cards if you can not be beat you have the nuts.

In order to understand the nuts, you have to understand poker in a different way.

The nuts ( at this moment) might get beat on subsequent streets, IF YOU LET IT!!!!!!

If at any point you have the nuts at that instant, and you let your opponent see a cheap or free card, (slow play) then YOU are nuts, and he's got you, so he has the nuts!!!!!!!

Examples:

Preflop, you have AA and decide to slow play. YOU ARE NUTS, and DESERVE TO GET BEAT BY 63o DRAWING HIS STRAIGHT!

Flop, You flop the Nut flush, and decide to slowplay against somebody who hit his set, YOU ARE NUTS AND DESERVE TO HAVE THE BOARD PAIR BEFORE YOUR PECAN EYES!!!!!

Turn, You hit your straight, on a 2 suit board, or paired board, and decide to slowplay. YOU ARE NUTS AND DESERVE TO SEE THE BOARD PAIR, OR FLUSH AND SCREW YOU UP TILL YOU CONSIDER HARI-KARI!

River. You hit quad A's and have slowplayed your set to an AdKsQsXcAs suited Board. YOU DESERVE TO SEE THE ROYAL FILL!!! YOU STUPID MORON!

YOU ARE NUTS!!!!!!

IMHO........

Otherwise the concept of the nuts can NOT occur until the river!

cowboys definition is the right one. but you could potnentially flop the (absolute) nuts. like if you have AA and AAK off comes on the flop, no subsequent cards are going to be part of a better hand. same goes with flopping a royal

^^^^this^^^^.

I also define nuts as those that dangle within a sack between your legs

I would say "The Nuts" is the absolute best hand possible after all the cards have hit the board. You may think you have the nuts after the flop but after the river you will know.

The nuts is definitely the best hand at the time, when you have the nuts, it doesnt necessarily mean youre unbeatable. Its like, the nuts can be lost Lol.

This is a crazy thread. As someone said, how can you have an opinion about a definition? A definition is, by definition, a definition.

Cowboy is right. Just read what he says and stop arguing.

leavem is wrong, brandonnj is right.

Just think about it. You can flop the nut flush and still lose to a fullhouse by the river. The nuts is simply the best possible hand at the time.

I nominate this thread for the golden archives because the golden archives are where we put the best threads or imo the best threads at the time because there could be better threads later but it's possible this could be the absolute best thread too.

i believe that the nuts means the best hand at that time, like preflopp ace ace is the nuts, king king is the semi nuts. I also think that the nuts could get outdrawn on the flop,turn, or river....

semi nuts? the nuts are the nuts..nothing else....

Please, everyone "the nuts" is a term used to define the best possible hand at any given time in a hand. There fore AA would be the Pre-flop nuts, and that could change on the flop if something then a pair of Aces hits..aka straights,sets,2 pair, full house, or flushes.
If a hand improves on the turn lets say an Ace high flush hits against your 2 pair then they have the nuts. Now lets say on the river you hit a full boat with your 2 pair...then you would have the nuts since 4 of a kind is impossible to have due to you having one of the paired cards.

Hand seen here:

You: Ks Qc
Villian: Ah 5h

Flop: Kh Qh 2s(The nuts here would be KK)

Turn: 3h(Villian now has the nuts)

River: Qs(The nuts here would be Quad Q's, but that's imposible in this situation)