NEED A RULING GUYS!!!!

#1 7th July 2007, 2:34 AM

ok...preflop raise..im on button with Q9 spades...2 to my right are in
pot is 775
Flop is K210 rainbow
original raiser bets....150
CALL
call

flop 5...4 different soots on board

2 cks...

i bet 350
Or raise calls....
fold

river 8 c..2 clubs on board

original raiser bets 350
i raise to 1500 oon a bluff knowin he is weak...

he thinks for like 4 minutes and calls

i say good call and muck...
he then mucks his cards w/o showing anything...

what is the ruling here??

and what the fq is he doing callin with K 7 kicker..lol...another story..lol

#2 7th July 2007, 2:37 AM

he does not have to show once you muck your hand, you coincide the pot to him. Now you can request to see his cards and he has to show but if you do that too much its very bad etiquette.

#3 7th July 2007, 2:38 AM

He wins.

Once you mucked the hand was over and you opponent won. It doesn't matter at that point what he does with his cards.

#4 7th July 2007, 2:39 AM

How did he much if he CALLED and won the pot?

He can't muck if it goes to a showdown and he won........

What are you guys talking about? What if he has total crap and he had actually lost? On online poker there is ALWAYS a hand shown on the showdown.

#5 7th July 2007, 2:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkadiy

How did he much if he CALLED and won the pot?

He can't muck if it goes to a showdown and he won........

normal response from a online only player.

yes you can muck your hand after you win the pot, you DO NOT have to show in a live game. It is up to your opponent to request to see your hand but in cash games we dont really care what you had as long as I get the money.

hell in live cash games you dont even flip your cards up when you guys are both all in preflop.

usually the guy who did betting shows and then other guy either mucks or shows better hand.

#6 7th July 2007, 2:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stormswa

he does not have to show once you muck your hand, you coincide the pot to him. Now you can request to see his cards and he has to show but if you do that too much its very bad etiquette.

Damn beat me to it by a few seconds. Although I'm not sure he has to show since he called and wasn't the bettor/raiser. He would have to show if the bettor showed his cards of course in order to show he had the best hand.

I believe that if player A bets and player B calls and shows his hand player A has to show if requested. I don't think it's required the other way around if you know what I mean.

#7 7th July 2007, 2:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stormswa

normal response from a online only player.

yes you can muck your hand after you win the pot, you DO NOT have to show in a live game. It is up to your opponent to request to see your hand but in cash games we dont really care what you had as long as I get the money.

Ya but aren't we playing ONLINE poker?

#8 7th July 2007, 2:43 AM

it was a live tournament....DONKEYS GALORE!!!!!!!!

#9 7th July 2007, 2:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkadiy

Ya but aren't we playing ONLINE poker?

umm he needs a ruling so common sense would say he is playing live poker.

#10 7th July 2007, 2:44 AM

How the hell were we supposed to know it was a live tournament? (even though I obviously missed something because everyone else knew it was a live tournament)

#11 7th July 2007, 2:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkadiy

How the hell were we supposed to know it was a live tournament? (even though I obviously missed something because everyone else knew it was a live tournament)

you need rulings a lot when you play online poker

#12 7th July 2007, 2:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkadiy

Ya but aren't we playing ONLINE poker?

No rulings needed in online poker, son.

#13 7th July 2007, 2:48 AM

*Puts on noob hat*

#14 7th July 2007, 2:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkadiy

*Puts on noob hat*

the best part about it was when you rolled your eyes at my comment! lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkadiy

Ya but aren't we playing ONLINE poker?

#15 7th July 2007, 4:01 AM

lol arkadiy...you might want to check out This Thread. Don't feel bad we've all done it.

#16 9th July 2007, 11:26 PM

One other point (that I think Storm sort of touched on above) is that you should not ask to see your opponents cards if he simply mucked and gave the pot to you before your cards were exposed. If you're in the hand with him and ask to see his cards and it turns out he has the better hand, you just lost the pot and wind up looking like a moron because you couldn't just accept a gift.

#17 9th July 2007, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

One other point (that I think Storm sort of touched on above) is that you should not ask to see your opponents cards if he simply mucked and gave the pot to you before your cards were exposed. If you're in the hand with him and ask to see his cards and it turns out he has the better hand, you just lost the pot and wind up looking like a moron because you couldn't just accept a gift.

If you ask to see an opponent's cards in some joints, you might not make it through the lot to your car. I believe the rule was put in place to look for cheating.

#18 10th July 2007, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSticker

If you ask to see an opponent's cards in some joints, you might not make it through the lot to your car.

While this ^^^ may be true in some places...

From Robert's Rules of Poker, v10...
5. Any player who has been dealt in may request to see any hand that has been called, even if the opponent's hand or the winning hand has been mucked. However, this is a privilege that may be revoked if abused. If a player other than the pot winner asks to see a hand that has been folded, that hand is dead. If the winning player asks to see a losing player’s hand, both hands are live, and the best hand wins.

The bolded comment above was the point I was getting at.

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