| This is a discussion on Mythos of online tells... within the online poker forums, in the General Poker section; Well, to be sure there are tells online, but they can vary for so many reasons. Why not discuss some of the supposed tells that ... |
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| Mythos of online tells... Well, to be sure there are tells online, but they can vary for so many reasons. Why not discuss some of the supposed tells that can trip us up if we aren't careful. Let's start with the classic: slow means strong/fast means weak. Not at microstakes at UB it doesn't . Any more? |
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| Yea, there really aren't any tells in Online Poker. The only thing as chainfire said from what you have to go from is betting patterns, his previous play and such things. I mean sometimes from weak players, they will bet small when they have a hand or may want to draw in a hand and they feel confident that they will hit and win so that they can build up the pot, where if they're bluffing, they might bet a little higher amount. But the problem with that, is that some players either do it on purpose or they will understand that you're catching up to their strategy and they will use it against you. Plus, it's not really a Tell as it is Betting Patterns still. |
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| When it comes to notes I'll generalize. Specific hands...??? I just put the generalized terms. Calling station, fish, rock, chicken/mouse, maniac, bomb, and (possible) shark. I generally put possible in parenthesis because sometimes a "lesser" player can make a sharky play. I put that + table type + whether they're loose or tight. If they're really tight I call them "Cameron " because if you stuck a lump of coal up their ass, in two weeks you'd have a diamond. |
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| You'd rate me as a shark then! I do the same, i just take note of what they play when they win a show down, and remember if and what they pet pre-flop, the flop, turn, river etc. Of course i try my best to label the players and use their weak tendencies against them. |
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| Very fast or very slow typically means very strong or very weak. I will (on purpose) sometimes let the time run down when I have a very strong hand. This is a great act. I will also bet quickly when bluffing. I have found some quick betters to be bluffers too. But it has to be taken into context.. if there is a straight on the board or flush possibility then I'm probably spending the time for real to consider what I want to do. For many players at microstakes weak bets are strong and strong bets are weak BUT not all. I will often bet big when I have an unbeatable hand because I want to look like I'm drawing or trying to stop one from betting. If a player is giving themselves free cards on a board then often they are searching for trips or they don't have anything and are not interested at all in the hand. |
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| re: Mythos of online tells... poker i just use the old fashion study the player technique. just sit back and relax for a few hands and watch the ppl act around u. if ur lucky ul pick up a big tell of some1 just by watchin them play |
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| I'm not so sure that there are any online tells, time taken to call, raise or whatever means nothing concrete unless a pattern is seen over many hands. How many times does the bloody phone ring when you're in a tourney, someone comes to your door, your AV update kicks in and hogs your CPU, if you have children in the house, add another 500 possibilities..... If you play at the same levels most of the time and you start to see the same names, then note taking is the best possible weapon you can have IMHO. Here I have to disagree with N.D. with regard to note taking, I include detailed summaries of specific hands in my notes and as much info as I can find as to a persons starting range with regard to their position, ok that's probably overkill at the micro level that I play at. But what I am attempting to do is define a range of possible starting hands for my opponent. Say I've raised preflop with A, J off, one caller, flop comes 3, 6, 7 rainbow, I c-bet and the guy comes back all-in, if my notes tell me that he regularly plays 3,6 & 4,7 type hands, there's a pretty good chance that he's caught some if not a lot of that flop. He probably has at least one pair, he could have two or the straight or the straight draw, do I want to throw my whole stack in right there, and hope to hit an A or a J and possibly even still lose ? My point is detailed notetaking, especially starting ranges I find to be more useful than notes that just say Donk!, complete spewtard etc. I play low level games for fun against a friend who is a much better player and who taught me the game. I've also watched him play a lot so I can often name his hole cards pretty accurately (no I ain't Daniel, that man is a bloody GENIUS!), but for me, putting my opponents on a starting range/specific hand means I can often get away from hands that would have hurt me and also at times call donk raises when I have the best hand. Also check hand histories, x mucks hand, straight into last hand/previous, what was he playing there, often it's a, holy crap he was playing 3c,5c on a diamond board with 3 overcards, valuable information and another note. Oh, have I mentioned, I'm a fan of notetaking ? |
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| Also multi-tabling doesn't automatically mean the person's a shark. All it really proves is that they think they're good enough to play multiple tables at once. They aren't all that good, not at the lowest stakes. Maybe higher up they are, but not down low. |
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| I will tell you a another "tell" I spotted once. A player was consistently checking the flop and betting the turn. Every single time -- like he hit the turn. I figured he was stealing those pots. So, the next time I was with him and had nothing. Check the flop, bet the turn. I raise and he folds. He became too predictable. |
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| re: Mythos of online tells... poker my favorite tell are when noobs at the lower stakes ($1-10) (must be poorly rated player) min raise preflop or min raise your reraise preflop (and they don't ordinarily min raise - some noobs min raise all the time, doesn't work with these guys). i watch their cards very carefully because they are so often rockets. this is a very accurate tell - while often they are not, there is a HUGE proportion of times that they are. try it yourself. |
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| Exactly its more about patterns. One pattern that I found pretty consistent is in heads up if I get an instant re-raise when there is a straight possibility on the board then about 75-90% of the time the other player has hit that straight. So, maybe I hit a pair or 2 pair and get instant re-raise then often I'll think he probably hit the straight simply because I've seen it so many times. Again with players that bluff big they often raise small when they hit something big but players who value bet are just the opposite. A small bet can be a stop bet (to stop you from betting), a value bet, a test bet (I hit something but not sure if it is good), or the "I hit something huge bet". What I try to do is test people to see how they respond to various bets. If I get a re-raise from a raise then that gives me an indication that next time with a big hand that I might want to try a re-raise to build a pot. If someone is more likely to fold to a re-raise it tells me I should re-raise on a bluff... but I never know what they have so its just one factor. |
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I really need to point something out. I'm not saying everyone who multi-tables sucks out loud. I'm saying that just because someone is multi-tabling, it doesn't automatically make them a shark. Key word is 'automatically'. I've watched people fail at it, so that particular pendulum swings both ways... I figured people would understand that I mean to watch and proceed with caution. I notice that I get in trouble when I give someone too much credit or not enough credit for their skills. Just be cautious. Not scared, but careful. |
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| re: Mythos of online tells... poker I have to say, that's one thing I really dislike about pokerstars tournaments. I feel like the tables get moved around so much that I never have a really good idea about each player's style before I get bumped to another table. Maybe I need to just get faster at reading people, but it feels like all I can do is play my own strategy and hope for the best. |
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| I have the opposite problem. I feel like I don't get moved often enough. If I'm lucky I get moved once. It makes me paranoid because I start to worry about the possibility of people picking up on my patterns. Other players keep getting moved to and from my table but I just end up stuck there. |
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| I think some ppl like to believe they have a talent for picking up "tells" online, but I think its bunk...there are a million possibilities and/or reasons for any one player acting a certain way or acting at a certain speed while sitting in his home playing poker...we have no idea what that person is doing WHILE he is supposedly pondering a hand...if he/she is even AWAKE for that matter. If I've played a certain player alot in the past and I've been sitting with him in a trny for 2 hours, I will probably have a decent fix on his patterns, but if he is a decent player...all he has to do is be aware and be crafty to throw me off. I value creativity and deception over "tells" anyday... hey, donuts!! >>>>>>>>>>> |
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| Once I was completely fooled by that tell! There was this one player who had gone all in pre-flop for the previous 3 hands. I then got a King Queen suited, and figured he/she didn't have anything so I called, in the end I lost the hand to pocket aces. |
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