Multi Tabling

what the hell is the secret i can not win when trying more than 2 tables at a time when i play 4 i lose 2 then usually place or win one of the other 2 if not both anyone got any tips that might help i have no clue what im doing

dam another thread on multi tabling!!!!

anyways the secret is your win rate will go down...but your overall profit should go up...because of variance. split your screen into 4ths imo...depending on how many tables you want to play...personally i only play 2 tables ....well on cash....tournies ill do 3 or 4

yea i see these people posting on playing 10 12 tables and more i dont see how they do it and make a profit guess i just suck cant seem to make a profit on more than 3 tables. but not gonna give up ima go join about 8 thirty cent sit and gos and see how i do in those. lol probally lose 6 but good practice i guess

I was recently trying to multitable at fulltilt. I was playing in $3/6 blinds in a ring game and also a satellite tourney. I found it very hard to concentrate on both especially because that ring game was high stakes for me ($180). Anyways I ended up not doing well in either. From now on anytime I'm playing in a high stakes ring game or tourney I definatley will not multi table!

the secret is ........... you can't win 'em all ..... but haveing a winning percentage or "cashes" overall makes for profitabillity.....you just need to find your comfort zone of how many games you can play in and keep your concentration , tracking whats going on at each table and who's doing it. single table SnG's are easier to keep track of the other players than MTT's cause it won't be moveing you from table to table as the number of players is reduced.

A few thoughts:

- It's a lot easier to do in cash games than it is SnGs, because cash games don't have bubbles and they require a lot of concentration.

- It's a lot easier if you have a HUD keeping stats on the players. You can't really be making meaningful reads on people without one when you're playing 4+ tables, because you'll be too concerned with juggling your own actions to watch your opponents closely.

- If you are multi-tabling SnGs, at least stagger the start times so that you're less likely to be playing two bubbles at the same time.

One word: Practice.

I used to have trouble handling 4 tables, so I played 3 for a long time. Then I just worked my way up and now I'm doing 11-12 with ease. Took me over 2 years to get from 3 to 12 with confidence, but it was worth it.

Oh yeah... and a big monitor helps, too. I actually run 2 monitors. I just got a 24" to add to my 20". I like to tile my tables rather than cascading or overlapping.

Put up 4 Tables. The goal is to at least break even. Which means winning 1 table, or getting 2nd + 3rd, or 3rd 3 times (btw, if you do manage to get 3rd 3 times out of 4 screens, you are doing something wrong after the bubble pops). Anything after those placings is your profit. As the OP says, they'll lose 2 tables but if you win 1 table and get a top 3 in another table while losing the other two, you still come out a winner.

Exactly, it takes a long time to get comfortable. I played 4 tables for a long time before jumping to 8 and then eventually 12 and finally maximg out at 16 on full tilt. Any more than 12 and you probably want to be using some additional software or auto hotkey scripts though.

Wat?

SNG bubble is strictly proper push/folding. It's not really rocket science. Certainly does not require that much concentration. If you have a proper HUD to display stack sizes in terms of M multiples, it's pretty easy to take decisions instantaneously.

I can easily do 4 to 6 tourements in one go. But after i get my screen set up right it's easy. It takes a lot of pratice but i started with doing 2 and build up from but cash games are easier to do then tournements

I used to do 6 SNG's. Some thoughts.

You won't be able to find the best spots to steal on all tables at once, especially as you approach the bubble.

Space them out so that you dont end up 3-4 handed on all of them at once.

Play tight, small ball poker and dont do anything stupid before the bubble.

You won't get nearly as many reads, but keep playing solid poker and you should get somewhere.

I lost my stats, but I was somewhere around 60% in the money when I played 6 tables at once, but my first and second place finishes dropped compared to 1-2 tables where I was in the money about the same percentage, but more first and second place finishes.

If you are the type of player that gets bored and makes stupid moves because of it, multi-tabling can help eliminate some of those as you dont have time to get bored :P

I think you've answered your own question here in your thread....

With SNG's.. the more tables we play... the more our ROI will drop. I believe what we want to do is maximize a hourly rate (but again.. it depends.. maybe we just want to work on our game and just get better?.. or maybe we just wanna play one game but want to try to win every time?)
I don't think our goal is ever to 'at least break even'??

I do my best playing 2 to 4 tables, but no more. If I play one table I get bored and start doing stupid stuff. Or I start reading the CC forums and not paying attention to the game at all(usually during morning coffee).

If I play 2 to 4 I can still pay good attention to each table to get my reads and it keeps me from getting bored. But unfortuantely I can't do more than four and get good information from each table.

Now if I am just horseing around and not really wanting to take it that serious at the time, I may just play one table and chat with some of the players at the table. That can be enjoyable and relaxing for me at times, especially if you run into someone that's fun to b.s. with.

You could use software like hold em manager or pokertracker. Then you have to pay less attention and you can play more tables.

yea i tried a tracker with the hud really liked it but it made my comp run slow when trying to run it on more than 2 tables at a time but now im up to 4 tables and playing pretty good tried 8 found myself sitting out on 1 every now and then not sure y it didnt pop to the front but i think i need a bigger monitor mine is just a 19 but ty everyone for your advice.

I don't completly dissagree.

BUT, you still don't get your timing tells or even your bet size tells with that. But it is useful information.

I have no idea how these guys play 10 or 15 tables at a time. I usually have trouble with more than 2 but i guess if you practice you could gradually move up to more and more

Which tracker do you use to display M multiples?

I like the idea of staggering your start times in SNG's.

I've had the situation near bubble times where you have 4 tables open at once and it gets pretty frantic, even with push/fold stratergy.

My understanding is that as long as you can break even then you can work on accumulating other benefits, such as VPPs or rakeback, or clearing bonuses.

well if you playing sng then its never quite easy to win every tournament... it never is but if you playing cash games then it might be a little easier i would say as soon as you triple or double your money, u cash out and start back on another table

i normally play 6-7 SnGs at once, but last night i tried 10

NIGHTMARE, as in 8 of them i got to final 4, so obviously i couldnt play my A game, and i really struggled, but obviously still made a big profit in that sessions.

One of my biggest challenges spelled out exactly... stupid lack of discipline.

Good points, OMBust

play less tables. The max amount of tables i play at is two. If i try to play more, i start to make stupid plays and im out at all four tables before i know it

I think you have to understand that playing Ring games is completely different to 1-table tournaments and yet even more different to Multi Tables.

When i'm playing multis the best thing to do is to take advantage of the long level/low blinds. How?
Using them to create the loose-calling machine image.
I usually min-raise almost every single hand and when that one chance comes along where I have the nuts and I make a mediocre bet, someone re-raises me, I push all in. Hopefully they call.
The secret to playing fake/loose is to be consistent even when you have the nuts. Pre-flop you should almost always raise minimum but if you have one of the top 4 hands, you can go ahead and raise the pot.

Once you've made a considerable chip stack, you can ease off on the raising, look to change ur gameplay, limp in with awsome cards a few times to get people guessing.

Once you are in the top %10 of runners, just sit back and wait for other people to get knocked out. If you chip down due to blinds, make it back up playing conservatively.

Finaly table when everyone has lots of chips you should look to create that loose/calling machine image again. Being aggressive but also passive at the same time (Learning how to fold top pair).
Hope this helps

I try to do it but with the constant nagging from the wife and kids its so hard just to pay attention to one table. It always seems that when I take my eyes off for min I always have the best hand and there will be about 2 people going at it all in and I just gotta sit there thinking yup coulda taking both out DAMMIT!!!

I have no clue what to tell you because i suck at multi myself.I can't seem to concentrate when playing more than 1 table at a time or atleast thats the way it seems.Now i only play 1 tourny or cash table at a time.However i know alot of ppl who are very successfull playing a few tables at a time my wife included.Give me 1 tourny and i'm locked in ....give me 2 and i'm all over the place.

-Don't mix your games if possible..i.e. Don't have a stud game in 1 window, and a NLHE in another.

_remember that one of the things MULTI-Tabling will do is reduce your ability to concentrate on any one table. This may be good or bad. Generally for me, it prevents me overthinking any hand, so I consider it a good thing. It also reduces your opening hand selection somewhat, making you (me), a bit more conservative.

-Just the facts ma'm. My speculations drop wildly, and in my case, my speculations generally are -EV, so that makes the process generally +EV.

Please don't listen to this.

Do you see the total contradiction here??

Timing tells are only significant when a player plays one table, otherwise it could be anything why he is thinking longer or short about a decision. As for betsizes you are right in my opinion.

I wouldn't advise multitabling different disciplines of poker. Stick to the same variety of cash games, sngs, or mtts to start out. Start out playing 2, then gradually add more tables as you get more comfortable.