MTT are just not worth the time

Low buy-in MTT's suck for reward / time. I just spent 5.5 hours in a $2.20 MTT only to finish in 28th place for a whopping $8.04 prize.

Think in ratios man it'll make it better. I bought into the .10 w/ rebuys and addons on FT finished 64th without any rebuys or addons and won $4.23 THATS HUGE IF YOU THINK IN RATIOS!

play higher stakes?

Hey buddy, they are def donkfests for sure. Try playin 4 at a time then you might get a little more back from the time you invest.

^^this.

If your bankroll will stand it, move up to $10 Tournies. The field will be smaller (so taking up less of your time) but the rewards will be higher.

Also, bear in mind that the lion`s share of the prize money goes to those who reach the FT. There aren`t many games, apart from the big Sunday headliners, where 28th place will be a big payout

Yeah just wait until you win one and you won't think it's a waste of time.

^^^^^ I reckon KC will back that statement, remember his $11 rebuy game? I'd happily play for 7 hours for that return

On sunday I played 10NL 6 max and won $0.05 after 2 hrs. I got bored and entered a $11 and a $22 tourney. 7 or so hours later I won the $22 and picked up $5300. A lot more fun than grinding.

I know the feeling. When I first started I made the same realization and decided I would only play sit and go's (STT) until I was rolled to play the double stacked $26 tournaments. Everything cheaper than that feels like a rip if you only squeeze into the money. Now I am playing $163 MTT's on a regular basis, and they aren't such a bummer if you cash for the lowest value.

I play on two sites. FT and Bodog. On bodog I dont play in MTT's, I just try to grind out and win my money little by little.

On FT I play in MTT's (usually the $24+2) and have always built my bankroll and cashed out at a much higher rate than grinding.

I took fourth this weekend at the 35k Guarentee (My biggest cash ever). Like one guy said before play for the final table and not to just cash. It'll pay off in the long run.

Just looking at your name - are you playing in the main event this year?

MTT do take time,specially if you play small buy in ..thats is why I allwayse play turbo games if I play small buy ins...they dont take 5-6 hours to play and players are gone faster after blinds get higher

I think that its all a matter of perspective. It depends upon what you are getting out of it.

If you are playing MTT low stakes or freerolls like I am to educate yourself and gain experience, then they can be valuable. Education costs... time or money or both. For example: http://apa.wisc.edu/images/tables/BigTentuition.pdf

I think that as your game improves you owe it to yourself to stake up and get in to more challenging arenas. Then you can gain greater monetary return as well as experience. I know I'm not ready to yet, but I look forward to the days that I am.
Good Luck!

MTTs are tough, but when you take down one, it increases your stamina for the next one, also your confidence! Keep it up, you can always improve

i agree
they need to have a tournament every 30 min or they need to have a better payout structure

- theres a reason more people play the 20% payout and 15 % payout tournies at pokerstars versus the 10 % at ft

It takes a special person to consistently grind mtts without going absolutely insane, seriously, the variance and time are ridiculous, and bubbling the FT is the worse thing ever.

I think the best thing to do is keep pushing, eventually that 28th will be a 2nd or 1st and then, and only then will you believe in mtts again. But it does fade, I know I get down and tilt too, so just keep your confidence up and realize that mtts are top heavy money wise and that variance hates you....but you can beat it

If there was ever a time for a lol donkaments, this is it.

I've been playing MTTs on pokerstars for a while now, all my cashes were in the lower end of the payouts so far... hoping to change that today. $3.30 MTT 1944 entrants, down to 962 players now and I'm sitting at 80th in chips, and this time I'm not drinking!!!!

it is a bit naff when u buy-in and u get a very little reward, but it's better than loosing and gettin nowt!!

One day u come 1st and it'll all pay off n u'll have a supa smile like ^_____^

I usually will play 4-5 at a time and get deep in a couple. I agree that playing just 1 at a time is very time consuming and may not have a good hourly rate compared to cash games, but you have a very low risk for a possible huge reward.

you could always play the single table super turbos. they are typically over in 15 minutes. if you are good enough, you could play quite a few in 5 hours and cash quite a bit.

Remember why you get into any tourney, MTT or SnG.

LIMITED FIXED RISK! MAXIMUM POTENTIAL !

The alternative is ring, where one tilt can wipe you out.

agree with many of you..its all about why you play them,if you play just to win then for some they take long time maybe...but if you play to inprove your game,trening ect ect then those are wery good games to do that

I agree 100%.
The lowest mtt buy in I usually play is 10.00.
(unless its the wonderful cardschat freerolls,that I crush.)
I usually try to play the guarantees,and also the rebuys are a favorite of mine.
Plus I found that low buy in sng sattelites to another mtt can be really profitable.

Ain't that the truth. The other night I was at the micro stakes tables and every single premium hand I got I would ultimately get pushed all-in by other reckless players and I would lose every single one of them. I must have gotten the rockets like 5 times in 30 minutes. It literally wiped me out. I logged off in total disbelief.

I think I might go back to the single table tourneys for a while.

if you're playing for an 'hourly rate' then why would you even begin to consider playing in a $2 MTT in the first place?
The way I look at it, I'm playing recreationally but also with the goal of building up my bankroll while doing so. MTT's are great for this.

I try to separate the money thing from playing poker... ie. I can have just as an enjoyable time playing poker in a CC freeroll as I can in a bigger buyin MTT. I'm playing to play poker... not with the sole purpose being the prize money. Sure I play to win (who wouldn't?) but the monetary value isn't really all that important,.. if it was I'd be depositing $5K and playing solely in bigger buyins.

I like the comment above too about looking at the return on your investment (and with limited risk.... the most you can lose is your buyin.. hey.. you won 4x that... but also the chance to win far more if you go deep in one of them).

The sun rises in the East.

If you want to consistently make money, large MTT's are not for you.

Large MTT's are all about shooting for the moon (due to the top heavy prize structure of most), and if you do, you are going to experience huge variance. If you are playing just to make the money, you're much better off playing SnG's.

Yea, I hear you about the minimal ROI but top 5 usually pays quite well.

Like Damon said, try playing a few cheaper ones at a time or move up in stakes. Just remember not to break your bankroll.

It seems to me that all Mtts suck whenever you are playing with someone who doesn't care about the buy in. It is, however a nice way to build a bankroll using low buy in mtts.

As long as you take shots at satellites and such you can turn a cool profit, build your bankroll for some higher level SNGs. Multitabling also wouldn't hurt especially because the play in the beginning is mighty tight.

Just look at the 1000 dollar guarantee 10cent tournament at FullTilt. That thing, for 10 cents, will pump anybody's bankroll that is starting off from a freeroll win or whatever. I mean, u can get a 100000% return rate if u hit first place. That's crazy.

cash ftw

And for the other perspective - I almost never play turbo on anything I pay money for... but that just fits my style of play. The turbos (very generally speaking) tend to draw the all-in-first-few-hands kind of folks who try to hit it big early on so they can focus on their other tournaments that they have going simultaneously.

That's why I like playing the turbo tournaments and games in general. It really speeds up the game and you won't have to sit for 7-8 hours to make a few bucks. Or, what other people have said play the higher stakes MTTs (only if you can afford it)