Is losing with four of a kind a once in a lifetime experience?

#1 06-04-2008, 6:53 PM

What is the odds of loosing with four of a kind against one other player ?-..,.

#2 06-04-2008, 8:16 PM

I feel your pain I have also had this before, the rush of your quads flowing and the smile on your face, mentally counting your nice chip stack. Then you get beat by an other quad.........the horror THE HORROR!!!!!

#3 06-04-2008, 8:18 PM

If you don't play a lot, then yes once in a life time. If you do play a lot, then it might happen 2 or 3 times ^^

#4 06-04-2008, 8:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bustme

What is the odds of loosing with four of a kind against one other player ?-..,.

That depends a lot on what kind of game you play, too. I did it to somebody just yesterday in Omaha.

#5 09-04-2008, 12:03 AM

As long as I am on the other side of that hand as often, bring it as many times in my lifetime as you want, poker gods!

#6 09-04-2008, 12:25 AM

been there done that .....felt like I wanted to

lots of action preflop raising & reraise
short stack is all in

I held 88
flop 889 I check like i am supposed to here I think

guy who reraised me pushes all in

I put him on AA or KK now due to reraises preflop

I call puts me all in , but i'm already counting myself being chip leader after this hand

uh uh

he holds 99 for full house

SS on AA

hits 9 on river for quad 9's

one of those things that make you go HMMMMMMM

#7 09-04-2008, 1:43 AM

It hasn't happened to me yet in my poker life, thank god. I can only remember like 10 times I've gotten quads though. When it does happen, which I know it will some day, I can see my mouse making a nice hole in my wall

#8 09-04-2008, 2:00 AM

it hasn't happened to me yet so..... *knocks on wood

but im sure it will eventually and like Grundy said i would like to be on the other end

#9 09-04-2008, 2:36 AM

I has happened to me and it's not a fun feeling. I kind of wished I was on one of those bad beat tables.

Is it a once in a lifetime thing?

Sure...if you stop playing poker now :-D

#10 09-04-2008, 3:01 AM

I actually had to fold my four of a kind. I held 10's in the hole and was against AK. On the flop....K, 10, 10. Ok I check, call the big bet, actually called by another player. next card....K. Hmmm, I should slowplay anyway right? Call another big bet. River....K. Wow, now I'm just pretty amazed at that, I have to fold to his bet. However someone else actually called him down with A9....but it was SUITED so I can't blame him (hehe). Obviously he lost to the 4 K's, and no one believed me when I told them I folded quad 10's...they just laughed. I took a screen shot so I'll definitely post it sometime.

#11 09-04-2008, 3:04 AM

Wow,.,.Many other people who have lost with four of a kind before...........

One of the last hands I played in NL25 on pokerstars I got 10 10, one person raise preflop to 1 dollar 2 other guys called and me....

Wery sick hand ( Now I am writing a lol hand history as I remember it)

Hero : 10 10 / 21 usd
P1 : J Q / 20 usd
P2 : KK / 30 usd
P3 : AA / 32 usd

P3 raises to 1 dollar , and everybody calles.

Flop : 10 K K

P3 allin everybody calles

Turn: 10

River 7

#12 09-04-2008, 3:07 AM

Quads over Quads 2007 WSOP HORSE tourney

#13 09-04-2008, 3:11 AM

Hasn't happened to me playing yet, but I've given people that particular beat while dealing at least once - quad sixes, but they got beat by a straight flush.

The odds that you'll get beat are long - very long. If you play enough hands over enough years, it'll happen to you though. More than once, if you play long enough.

Kyle is right too, you'll likely encounter it more in a game like Omaha or Stud.

#14 09-04-2008, 3:15 AM

On time J1010 on flop, and JJ river turn, his kicker were an 8 so just missed the bad beat jackpot for 55000$. ARRRGH, and the second time pair of 44. Flop AA4 turn 4. He only bid a dollar and I reraised him of course, and he had AA... He made the call of course

#15 09-04-2008, 12:46 PM

I dealt such a hand a couple of months back: http://www.cardschat.com/f46/quads-v...-flush-105068/

#16 09-04-2008, 1:41 PM

Flopped 4 K's in Omaha H/L and got beaten by a straight flush just this morning on PokerStars, and broke quad 4's with quad 10's a few days ago in Stud H/L

#17 09-04-2008, 1:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KICKIN_ACES

I held 88
flop 889 I check like i am supposed to here I think

Without even knowing exactly what happened, I can tell you that checking that flop is a significant leak.

#18 09-04-2008, 1:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F Paulsson

Without even knowing exactly what happened, I can tell you that checking that flop is a significant leak.

Depends how you have been playing before hands, a few weeks ago I had been limping in and chacking everytime I missed for awhile so the flop came 99 and something I can't remember, guy got pissed next to me, raised half his stack, I reraised all in and he called with A2.

#19 09-04-2008, 2:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F Paulsson

Without even knowing exactly what happened, I can tell you that checking that flop is a significant leak.

I'm not sure checking quads could be called a "significant" leak, since it happens so few times anyway. I understand some of your reasoning, but its silly to just throw out that comment to someone who might not understand the game as well as you do without any backing or reasoning... as well as no understanding to the situation leading up to that hand.

#20 09-04-2008, 3:36 PM

I lost with quads in vegas two months ago at the Stratosphere... It paid very very well. =) Only time it ever happened to me, and I was glad it did.

-Keebs212842

#21 09-04-2008, 5:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Likminutz

I'm not sure checking quads could be called a "significant" leak, since it happens so few times anyway. I understand some of your reasoning, but its silly to just throw out that comment to someone who might not understand the game as well as you do without any backing or reasoning... as well as no understanding to the situation leading up to that hand.

Quads don't come around that often, but flopping monsters is not a rare occurrence. When the preflop action, as he described it, had "lots of action" then the idea of slowplaying the nuts on the flop in (what must be) a big pot is really bad.

For slowplaying to be right, the circumstances must be extraordinary. It's something that should be done very rarely. From the way he phrased it, it's clear to me that he thought of it as the default play, but even if specifically he doesn't, there's a ton of people who can't help themselves but to check when they flop monsters. And that IS a significant leak, no doubt. No matter what the situation is leading up to that hand.

As an aside, I've posted about this many times before, and with time I've become lazy and just post one-liners when I spot something that strikes me as a very basic beginner's mistake. I understand - and agree - that including reasoning makes the post more worthwhile, but I've noticed that I don't really have the energy to repeat the longer explanation posts unless specifically asked for it (like here).

I make one-line posts in two situations; one is where I simply don't have time to post more at that precise moment, and the other is where I find the reasoning to be standard and/or obvious. My previous post was the latter.

#22 09-04-2008, 7:28 PM

i feel your pain twice last week had 4 9'S LOST TO THE STRAIT FLUSH BYE BYE $400

#23 10-04-2008, 7:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F Paulsson

Quads don't come around that often, but flopping monsters is not a rare occurrence. When the preflop action, as he described it, had "lots of action" then the idea of slowplaying the nuts on the flop in (what must be) a big pot is really bad.

For slowplaying to be right, the circumstances must be extraordinary. It's something that should be done very rarely. From the way he phrased it, it's clear to me that he thought of it as the default play, but even if specifically he doesn't, there's a ton of people who can't help themselves but to check when they flop monsters. And that IS a significant leak, no doubt. No matter what the situation is leading up to that hand.

As an aside, I've posted about this many times before, and with time I've become lazy and just post one-liners when I spot something that strikes me as a very basic beginner's mistake. I understand - and agree - that including reasoning makes the post more worthwhile, but I've noticed that I don't really have the energy to repeat the longer explanation posts unless specifically asked for it (like here).

I make one-line posts in two situations; one is where I simply don't have time to post more at that precise moment, and the other is where I find the reasoning to be standard and/or obvious. My previous post was the latter.

You contradict yourself, we were only talking about quads in one hand not all different "nuts." You say slowplaying should be done very rarely...well quads are pretty rare. I would say even if he bets out on this hand the outcome probably doesnt differ that much...although I agree with you as I now am aware that there was "lots" of preflop action, betting out is definitely the better move. I just think he's still ending up broke however he plays this hand post flop. Thanks for you insight though, hope I didn't piss you off for asking for an explanation.

#24 10-04-2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Likminutz

You contradict yourself

No, I don't think I am. I'm possibly contradicting what you thought I meant.

Quote:

You say slowplaying should be done very rarely...well quads are pretty rare.

Well, yes, but... I think you may have misunderstood me. I don't mean that slowplaying is something you should do "rarely" for the sake of doing it not often. Slowplaying should be done rarely because the conditions in which it is correct occurs so rarely. Having a monster is only one condition that needs to be met. The pot also needs to be small, your opponents need to be likely to fold if you bet, AND they need to have some reasonable chance to improve if you check. As in, you don't slowplay rarely just to make it a rare occurence, you slowplay rarely because the appropriate situation in which to slowplay presents itself so very rarely.

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I would say even if he bets out on this hand the outcome probably doesnt differ that much...although I agree with you as I now am aware that there was "lots" of preflop action, betting out is definitely the better move. I just think he's still ending up broke however he plays this hand post flop.

Ah, yes. This I agree with completely. In fact, if he somehow manages to NOT get his whole stack in on this board, THAT shows a VERY significant leak.

Quote:

Thanks for you insight though, hope I didn't piss you off for asking for an explanation.

Not at all. I'm not one to get easily pissed off, and as I said, I don't mind adding reasoning to my opinions if someone asks for it. Often, I don't need to explain myself, but when I do, I'm happy that someone calls me on it. Never be afraid to request that someone explains why they think something.

Cheers,
FP

#25 10-04-2008, 10:28 PM

Its happened to me before in real life play but never online yet....Just a couple boats cracked here and there like 10s full of aces vs aces full of 10s on the river. But I no the feeling, my quad 10s vs his full house kings full of 10s...sigh

#26 11-04-2008, 2:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F Paulsson

Well, yes, but... I think you may have misunderstood me. I don't mean that slowplaying is something you should do "rarely" for the sake of doing it not often. Slowplaying should be done rarely because the conditions in which it is correct occurs so rarely. Having a monster is only one condition that needs to be met. The pot also needs to be small, your opponents need to be likely to fold if you bet, AND they need to have some reasonable chance to improve if you check. As in, you don't slowplay rarely just to make it a rare occurence, you slowplay rarely because the appropriate situation in which to slowplay presents itself so very rarely.

Now I completely understand where you are coming from and agree, this is straight out of Poker Theory - Sklansky, I needed a little refreser course as to the reasoning.

Thanks

Lik

#27 11-04-2008, 7:19 AM

I've had it done in Holdem, had KK, flop came KKA, I slowplayed, hoped he had an A, he went all in, I called had AA, a full house and turn was a J, river was the forth A.

#28 11-04-2008, 7:54 PM

Play William Hill, You get paid for losing with Quads.

It's called the Bad Beat Jackpot.

#29 13-04-2008, 7:19 PM

I lost w AAAA to the royal Flush, but I was behind all the way. I flopped AAA, he flopped a flush, turn was blank, river was As giving me the quads but him the royal. Also lost with 8888 to JJJJ so twice this lifetime so far.

#30 27-08-2008, 12:48 PM

when party poker poker was just a tiny site some years back, was in a ring game, got pocket KK's, and to make a sad and long story short, four of us were all in on the flop, which by the way came, K K 10 ( J Q ) - I lose what is a $400 pot to a guy holdin A 6 off suit, he made the royal!

#31 27-08-2008, 1:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bustme

What is the odds of loosing with four of a kind against one other player ?-..,.

It hasn't happen to me yet and i surely hope that it never will!!!!
But if it happens...then thank God that most poker sites have a bad beat jackpot!!!!

It surely is some sort of a pain killer!

#32 27-08-2008, 1:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POKERYALL

when party poker poker was just a tiny site some years back, was in a ring game, got pocket KK's, and to make a sad and long story short, four of us were all in on the flop, which by the way came, K K 10 ( J Q ) - I lose what is a $400 pot to a guy holdin A 6 off suit, he made the royal!

Had that happened at the same ring game on Ultimatebet, you woulda won Hundreds a' thousands of bucks from their bad-beat jackpot!

#33 27-08-2008, 9:04 PM

No, that has not happened to me yet. However, I have lost to straight flushes including a Royal Flush.

#34 27-08-2008, 9:17 PM

ya i have lost qauds v qauds few times nothing you can do there almost impossible too fold lol you think you have best hand ive also lost Pkt Ks too Pkt Ks guy hit flush lost 100$

#35 27-08-2008, 9:28 PM

Lost to higher quads once, and most recently, my quads lost to a hidden str fl in stud. I expect to see more BBs like this, they hit me once or twice a year...

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