KJ good hand or no?

#1 8th August 2008, 12:44 AM

KJ is it a good hand to call big raises with or go all in with?.....i get KJ so much usually never hits or win anything off of it but im also still learning more bout poker prolly only been playing for bout 1 yr is that so was jus wandering if its a good hand to call big raises or all ins with.

#2 8th August 2008, 1:25 AM

I guess you missed Phil Hellmuth's rant to the guy he said couldn't even spell poker.

Generally no, KJ is easily dominated and not a great hand to call a raise or an all in with (an exception might be if your opponent is very short stacked and has a wide pushing range). If you're opening the pot from late position, though, it's a decent blind stealing hand, and I wouldn't hesitate to push with it when short.

#3 8th August 2008, 1:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundcat

I guess you missed Phil Hellmuth's rant to the guy he said couldn't even spell poker.

Generally no, KJ is easily dominated and not a great hand to call a raise or an all in with (an exception might be if your opponent is very short stacked and has a wide pushing range). If you're opening the pot from late position, though, it's a decent blind stealing hand, and I wouldn't hesitate to push with it when short.

ok cool preciate it i jus seem to get kj alot jus really noticed it and it looks good i guess cuz its a bigger hand but i never hit with it

#4 8th August 2008, 1:43 AM

its called the rookie hand, just for that reason..it looks good and is widely overplayed by begginers. I absolutely agree with roundcat.
gl

#5 8th August 2008, 1:49 AM

Out of position, KJ isn't good.

It's good to shove with in a tournament if the pot is unchallenged and you are really short on chips (an M of 6 or so).

It's also good to steal with in late position, as it gives you some outs should a blind call.

Very early in a tournament I'll limp in with KJ, but I'm looking for two pair or better.

But no, K/J is not a good hand except in specific circumstances.

#6 8th August 2008, 3:41 AM

king jack is a good hand to get ace king busted with .

#7 8th August 2008, 3:47 AM

Daniel Negraneu calls KJ "the rookie" because it is a hand that looks a lot stronger than it really is when you get it, and many rookies overplay and over invest in it.

#8 8th August 2008, 3:50 AM

KJ and KQ are probably the two hands I see players play way too often. I rarely ever call a raise with them. If someone raised with AK, AQ, etc you are pretty far behind.

#9 8th August 2008, 3:54 AM

Depends on so many factors. It could be a great hand or it could be a bad hand. Too many factors to go in to. You will learn by experience.. Good luck

#10 8th August 2008, 7:42 AM

Would I call an all-in with KJ? Absolutely not unless the circumstance calls for it (all-iner is short stack). KJ is a hand you can open with, but even then be a bit weary when you hit.

#11 8th August 2008, 7:47 PM

To a tight player KJ is a bad hand, but when playing tight (AA,KK,QQ,JJ.1010, AK,AQ,AJ,A10) which means you can only play 9 starting hands. UTG that is about all I will play in all but a few circumstances. In tournament play I believe you have to open up your hands and yes kj is a decent starting hand not more than 15 better ones. The key I believe with any drawing hand is to run after the flop if you do not catch. On the other hand I do not like K10 or lower unless suited and again if you catch a J and and A comes out folding to a raise is an no-brainer.

#12 9th August 2008, 5:57 AM

KJ i would say is a better than mediocre hand but not a premium hand.. i mean i would never fold it if no one raises... perhaps limp in to see a flop but i wouldnt necessarily go all in and risk tournament life with a KJ...

#13 9th August 2008, 6:12 AM

Yeah, with two face cards it looks very appealing to beginners as it killed me numberous times when i first started playing, but now i realized that its a hand that you limp with but definetly dont overvalue.

#14 9th August 2008, 6:22 AM

this has been interesting to read, as a loose player, I play KJ a lot, and i guess i usually get burned, but don't often notice because i often lose on lots of hands
but after reading a few recent blogs, and ferguson's 10,000 thingy, i think i'm going to change up my strategy, and play more conservative, even if it means taking some sleeping pills to slow down my tendencies to raise with everything

#15 9th August 2008, 10:06 AM

K J suited is not a bad hand but i would never tend to re raise with it or call an all in either. obviously perfect flop would be 10 Q A but if you wanna start playing lotto poker be my guest

#16 9th August 2008, 4:29 PM

This hand burned me more than any other when I started playing... beginnners tend to overrate it and overplay it. But you can limp with it, just dont call a raise or raise yourself.

#17 9th August 2008, 4:31 PM

Can we have some sort of context to this thread please! I mean any hand can be good, but we have to put it into context, what stakes you play, type of game your playing, mtt, cash, sng, 6max FR, early or late position. There are so many factors to playing any hand that we can't just say is KJ good or w/e.

OBV it's not classed as a premium hand, but it can be if played correctly.

#18 9th August 2008, 4:46 PM

I don't like KJ either. IF u hit K or J on flop ur usually dominated by bigger kicker. Only way to win with this hand I think is to flop big, like full house, top 2 pairs or straight. But, you can hit good with any 2 cards... Id still folds like this if someone raises or goes all in.

#19 9th August 2008, 5:01 PM

KJ is not a great hand, but it can give us many earnings if we play them well; in a table tight is a valuable hand that can help us to steal blinds.

#20 9th August 2008, 5:10 PM

I think K J is definitely middle of the pack, there are definitely some hands that can beat it but there are others that people play that definitely don't. For example, K 10, I've seen so many people play that hand on FTP. It comes down to personal taste in the end, if you're a loose player, then yeah K J is good to play but otherwise it's not a bad hand to be a calling station in.

#21 9th August 2008, 6:54 PM

KJ = donk kings: unfoldable preflop in any position for any action.

#22 9th August 2008, 7:03 PM

KJ is situational. Don't call raises with it (you'll only get in trouble), but is fine to open raise from late position. Play cautiosly pf if you encounter resistance. And just a bit better if suited.

#23 9th August 2008, 8:23 PM

K J, even when suited is a trouble hand. same as qj to me anyways. you could hit top pair but be out kicked. i wouldnt call anything more then 2 1/2-3x bb raise from someone with kj. but then i really only like that hand in late position anyway. its a proceed with caution hand.

#24 9th August 2008, 8:51 PM

I just hate KJ I seem to ALWAYS have bad luck with it - Never a good flop. But since mathematically it IS a good hand I play it nonetheless

#25 9th August 2008, 11:02 PM

funny thing is after i posted this thread i thought bout KJ more and actually have started winning more with it lol weird but dont think i did not take everyone of yalls opinions in consideration everytime i saw KJ in my hand because i absolutly did thanks again everyone i swear this site is awesome yall respond and no ones actually asses like some other forum sites i seen love it here

#26 10th August 2008, 4:31 AM

Alot of people get sucked in by picture cards I have a golden rule on a 9 person table that I fold A/5 or lower excluding pocket pairs biggist killer people seem to fall for is the Q/J suited it just looks more powerfull that it actually is

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