How to handle a bully and a maniac or a ATC player at the same table

What do you think is most effective in limit $2-$5 game when you have 2 players in a game that will raise every hand and call every raise no matter what. These players are a bully with a maniac or a ATC. I run into this a lot and feel the best thing to do is fight aggressive play with super aggressive play. A isolation play is the only method I find that works. What I want to know is what do you think is best in this situation. Also the same situation in no-limit?

I suggest drinking, like i am.

I suggest bringing enough that you can lose, and play, like you said, super aggressive and if you lose oh well, if you double / triple up good for you

Sounds like the game of poker going out the window.

One thing you have to be careful of when fighting these guys with aggresion is the other good players at the table that are doing the same as you. When there are a couple other good players at the table seeing what you see you need to pick up on that early so you don't get caught up in complete chaos. If I can't control things I will just stay out of the pot.

Of course what Vanquish said might help a bit too...

I do fell the same way about pots. If I am not in control of the hand I stay out.

If you dont like being in that situation at a table, find a new table.

I pick different table.

if you have position on them just play nitty, oop leave