Originally Posted by salim271
I dont go to PTR but I go to propokerlabs.com... anyone know full tilt's policy on this?
The same as for any stats site -- not allowed while you're in-game. They all pretty much prohibit looking up stats or hands that you were not involved in. Of course it's virtually impossible for them to detect and police it outside of a running game, but the terms are pretty explicit regardless. If you were to talk too much about it, say in an internet forum (which nearly all the sites lurk btw) where you also posted your account name, they could conceivably take action, but I don't think they're really farming the forums for violators. Just don't do it in-game!
Originally Posted by suit2please
Has anyone here actually gotten this warning? I don't do it "just in case", but I have a firewall that stops Windows itself from doing random things unless I allow it and am pretty sure it would tell me if a poker site tried to do something I had yet to allow it to do. Its actually not trivial its an invasion of privacy that we all agreed to when we joined the site.
Yes people have been warned.
You can't stop this behavior with a firewall. A firewall has no control over what an application does to your computer itself, only whether it's allowed to talk to the external network (internet) or not. You must allow your poker client to communicate through the firewall -- it obviously won't work otherwise -- so as far as the firewall is concerned, its job is done.
I'm wondering if you fully read the terms and conditions of a poker site before you signed up, particularly the big ones. Prohibited software and the means to detect it are explicitly mentioned in the T&C of most if not all of them. By accepting the T&C and signing up, you are granting explicit permission for them to monitor what you're doing while the poker client is running. Therefore it is not
an invasion of privacy because there should be no expectation of privacy after accepting those terms. It's not like they're viewing your bank account data and watching what pr0n sites you visit. They're protecting their integrity and the expectation of their players to play in a cheat-free environment (as much as possible). So IMO they have every right, because there would otherwise be no way to enforce those rules.
To prove the point about the T&C, here are excerpts from PokerStars and FullTilt (which appear to be written by the same person):
Originally Posted by PokerStars Terms & Conditions
5.5. EXTERNAL PLAYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS (EPA). PokerStars prohibits those External Player Assistance Programs ("EPA Programs") which are designed to provide an "Unfair Advantage" to players. PokerStars defines "External" to mean computer software (other than the Software), and non-software-based databases or profiles (e.g. web sites and subscription services). PokerStars defines an "Unfair Advantage" as any instance in which a User accesses or compiles information on other players beyond that which the User has personally observed through the User's own game play. We encourage you to read our Prohibited Online Software FAQ.
5.6. AUTOMATIC PLAYERS (BOTS). The use of artificial intelligence including, without limitation, "robots" is strictly forbidden in connection with the Service. All actions taken in relation to the Service by a User must be executed personally by players through the user interface accessible by use of the Software.
5.7. You agree that PokerStars may take steps to detect and prevent the use of prohibited EPA Programs. These steps may include, but are not limited to, examination of software programs running concurrently with the PokerStars Software on the User's computer.
Originally Posted by FullTilt Terms & Conditions
10.3. EXTERNAL PLAYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS (EPAs)
We prohibit the use of external player assistance programs (EPA programs) which are designed to provide an "unfair advantage" to players. EPA programs include computer software (other than the game client provided by us), and non-software-based databases or profiles (e.g., web sites and subscription services). In this clause 10.3 an "unfair advantage" is gained where a player accesses or compiles information on other players beyond that which the player has personally observed through the player's own game play.
10.4. AUTOMATIC PLAYERS (BOTS)
10.4.1. The use of artificial intelligence including, without limitation, "robots" is strictly forbidden in connection with the Software and the Games. All actions taken in relation to the Games by you must be executed personally by you through the user interface accessible by use of the Software.
10.4.2. You agree that we may take steps to detect and prevent the use of prohibited EPA programs. These steps may include, but are not limited to, examination of software programs running concurrently with our Software on your computer.
For further information, see the Prohibited Program Policy for a detailed description of prohibited software, which can be viewed from www.fulltiltpoker.com/prohibited_programs.php.