How Bad does a beat have to be to be a bad beat?

AA losing to JJ or 1010 is pretty universally considered a bad beat, when you are 80% favourite.
What about when all in preflop AK losing to A7, or KQ losing to 10 9, or QQ losing to AJ
Are these hands when you are 70% favourite bad beats when you lose, or are the odds not high enough for it to be considered a bad beat.

I don't think losing AA to KK is a bad beat nor QQ AJ, thats just the odds. AK vs AQ isn't a particualrly bad either though it stings more for me for some reason. A true bad beat is one of those 5 or 2 percenters. Or the runner runners.

I would consider KK losing to AJ a bad beat and anyhing with one over besting a pair. I would not consider 10 9 losing to KQ a bad beat because your not that high of a favorite. Just my persnal opinion though, others could have different ones.

The worst bad beat is when you have a guy with half his stack in and you're holding the nuts. Then you lose connection.

Many BnM sites and online poker sites have 'Bad Beat Jackpots' ... and they do NOT start by paying someone who has their AA cracked.

In almost all cases, it takes at least some form of specified fullhouse or quads beaten to qualify. AA cracked (and anything similar) is nothing more than playing poker.

I think it depends how you have played the hand..

EG.. if you limp with AA and the BB has 72 and hits a 722 flop.. Its not a bad beat.. its a bad play.

A bad beat is the Ak4 flop and you have ak and he has k4 and a 4 comes out. You were both all in...

I think that if when all of the money goes in you were a 4 to 1 favorite and still lose, its a bad beat. Some players want to slow play and then whine when they got their hand cracked, but when the money actually went in the pot - they were behind.

What if you raise 4BB preflop with AA and someone calls you with 72 and the flop comes Q72, and you lose all your chips?
You were still behind when most of the chips went in but I'd still call that a bad beat, as he shouldn't even have been in the hand

Your AA cracked is.... 'poker' .... just plain 'ol getting beat. Happens hand after hand, table after table, day after day....

Your Aces Full of Kings or your quad 6's or better cracked is.... 'a bad beat'. Happens 'rarely' and is truly a bad beat.

Calling AA cracked a bad beat is nothing more than soothing your bruised ego.

To me, anytime I get my money all in with the best hand and lose,,, Well that's a bad beat. LOL,, Cause I'm never suppose to lose with the best hand.
Take care

this is a pretty good question i never really thought about what makes an official, "bad beat". Well in my opinion a bad beat is you having the best hand and someone get two or more cards to beat you. For example if you had AA vs AK and they get two kings on the flop that would be a bad beat. Percentage wise I'd say something between 5-10 percent would be a bad beat. That story I told you up there AA vs AK is a true story i lost 1k in that hand bummer. Well there you go that is what i consider a bad beat.

I've asked this question a few times before and got answers all over the map. So I guess it depends on who you ask. I always thought you got a bad beat when you were a 75% favorite or more before the next card, which is a 3-1 fave or more. But I've also seen people say 80% & 90%. So I dunno. Maybe the amount of money/chips lost might increase how bad it is, too. Losing a lot of money as a 75% fave sure hurts worse than losing a little money to a short stack as a 90% favorite.

no such thing as a bad beat

The situations that you have listed aren't really considered bad beats to me and as nevedanick said these are just examples of poker. when you flop the nut flush and get runner runner beat by a full house or when you flop a full house and get runner runner to get beat by quads then these are bad beats in my opinion.

See I don't agree with the Losing with monsters are bad beats, these aren't nessecarily bad beats - there COOLERS. To me a bad beat goes by percentages. Ok you have pocket Queens I have pocket jacks and the board comes QQJJ2 did I catch a bad beat just cause I lost with quads? Not to me cause I never had the best hand, I just got coolered. When you have QQ I have A8 flop comes Q88 and the money goes in turn and river comes AA to give me a bigger boat, THATS A BAD BEAT!!

having one pair and losing is not a bad beat...a true bad beat, in my opinion...is when you flop a made hand...2 pair or more and either got outdrawn outflopped

cheers and gl

A bad beat is supposed to be something that happens rarely hence the word bad. I see a lot of people saying that loosing a 80-20 situation is a bad beat when it really is not as you should be loosing that 20% of the time.

I think the real bad beats are when you have a huge hand that leads until another player draws out on you. One example of this is when I turned a full house in a live game and got all the chips in, only to have villain hit a straight flush on the river with a two outer.

Alot of people tell me about badbeats they have suffered, some even say there changing site strictly based on this reason!
When they explain the badbeat thow I think to myself, well, even with 5% chance I still would just class it as unlucky!
People seem to forget quickly the times them same badbeats put them in the money

I'd say that when you have a King-high Flush & you're All-in with 35,000 chips & you're beat by an Ace-high Flush is a bad beat! That happened to me a couple of weeks ago! Now I have to assume that someone may have the A when I betting that I'll win with a flush without it! Lesson learned!
Since then I've won several hands while knowing I had that A in MY hand!

I'll put a number on it.. If i'm like 80%+ the fav to win.. I call it a BB. The next question is how do you deal with it? You accept you made the right decision and move on. Don't dwell on it. Be in the present, my friends!

IMO none of these things are in themselves bad beats. To me a bad beat needs to meet certain requirements.

1) You are ahead in the hand and lose. That one is obvious.

2) You're opponent should have reasonably assumed that you were ahead but either through inexperience or indifference continues in the hand.
You must remember that bluffing and situation reading are part of the game. If an opponent has good reason to believe that you'll fold to a rr or a shove and he just happens to run into the high end of your range but sucks out anyway, that is not a bad beat.

3) Your opponent does not have the odds, implied or direct, to continue with the hand and again should have understood this.

4) Your opponent must have no other reasonable considerations for continuing with the hand but does so anyway. This applies mostly to tournament situations where sometimes Arnold Schneider). Your opponent may feel that just barely making the money is an unnacceptable use of his time and taking seemingly ill-advised risks will give him a better shot at a meaningfull cash or that the blinds are so high and they are so short stacked that they are basically pot committed before the hand even starts.

5)Anything that occurs after the last relevant action by either party poker is meaningless. If your all-in with T9 and called by AK, you may flop a T and be way ahead but lose to a K on the river despite the fact that you held a 75% advantage with 2 cards to come. Again, not a Bad Beat.

Long and short. You're opponent needs to be a complete bonehead. By the definitions above it would be nearly immpossible for any good poker player to ever dish out a bad beat. There are always good reasons behind the actions they take. Whenever I suffer a particularly painfull loss I always think back and try to put myself in my opponents shoes. What was my table image? Have I played this person before? What was his chip stack? What were his options? Did the benefits of winning the hand outweigh the harm?

When you take all this into account instances of genuinely honest bad beats is really quite small. Poker is a complicated game, it's rarely ever as simple as My Aces lost to his Deuces.