Hold'em Manager

Release 2

Any tracking program will help you find the leaks. But in the end none so far will pop up a box saying , 'HEY YOU, HERE'S A LEAK! PLUG IT!'

You could march through all your hand histories, and eventually stumble on a leak to work on, but have you ever done that for more than several hands? Didn't think so. These programs are designed to make the task easier, providing you the opportunity to plug the leaks YOU FIND!

Emphasis on YOU FIND!

Hopefully HEM, or PO will match what has been suggested PT3 will offer, a comprehensive Bankroll Management feature. To me, this is the most important feature and major reason I have PT3. I'm too dam lazy to have a notebook next to my computer and actually use it.

The latest beta is even more stable, and seems faster. For me anyway.

I have not run it past 3 tables. I'm a tourney guy, and don't (generally) play FR.

I didn't expect a pop-up box, I've never imported hand histories as I rarely play cash games, sng's and mtt's as I find in miro stakes ring most call with junk and catch in multiple pot's and when you move up to $1-$2 games there always seems to be player with about 10x your stack. A friend of mine was playing 1c-2c game last nite and a jerk joined the table with over $1000 fgs.

Yep, it definitely showed me a few holes. One example is that you can see your winrate at every seat. (based on the location of the BB) That showed me I was playing way too loose in early position, and as soon as I tightened up my opening range in early position, I was able to post a profit in all seats. (not including the blinds)

Good to see an alternative to Poker Tracker being discussed. I might have to try out the trial as well.

I've used the 5k hands limitation already, there were some hands still in the Stars HH file, so only got to play like 800 hands at 18 tables. Totally lag free, it was a dream tbh. My concern is if the lag will commence if the database is huge. Think I'm gonna be buying this fwiw.

I have read HM is designed to be able to handle 20+ million hand databases. Whether it's true or not, I dunno. I have ~250k hands in my HM database and havnt noticed any changes in performance yet.

Nice, I'm in the process of cleaning up my computer just to try to get it to run a bit faster (thought of adding RAM, but already got 2 gigs and from what I've seen this should be plenty). Basically if I can get the same result, no lag from the HUD on ~20 tables, they'll have my $80 before the end of the week.

No.

But that's my personal experience. I was thinking of making a post about this, and I still might. But I found that I do substantially better without PokerTracker running. I think maybe it forces me to pay more attention.

I just downloaded it and im trying the trial and it looks very good,i doubt i will buy it since i dont play much ring but can some one tell me how my stats look.
$/Hr -VPIP --- pfr ---3bet% -Agg factor-- WTSD% --won at SD
4.25- 22,3%- 14,7% -6,1 ----4,7 ---------22,6 ------55
This is a tiny sample but can some one explain to me what these stats say about me?

Took about 50 minutes or so to import 170k hands. Gonna try it out in full tomorrow.

Stats look decent sindri. We can't give you some kind of big analysis based on those stats (esp with a small sample size), but it looks like you're playing a winning game.

I just finished importing my whole database (~160k hands, ~1 hour) minus the <10k FLHE hands. HM is getting a little slow It's not brutal or anything, but it's a little discouraging. Hopefully the hud runs smooth still.....

Going to reboot my PC and see if it speeds up. I've been running a lot of stuff lately; maybe clearing the caches and all that bunk will quicken things up.

Stealth brag: June is teh sick.

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I'd like to definitely see a report. I agree ... I am also getting fed up with the non-updates to PokerTracker3. The HUD is indeed buggy and is causing everything to lag after a while, and I only do 6 tables MAX. Obviously I would be willing to switch if something was more reliable and didn't cause things to be slowed down.

I hate you for that!

so i just downloaded the trial, about to test it out. a nice non buggy hud would be nice. pt3 doesnt lag for me, its just randomly quits. plus this is cheaper.

I just played 800 hands (8 tables) and the HUD was rock solid. I just wish I liked the program more. Something about the look and feel is just off. I don't know maybe it's the fact that I've already paid for PT3 that's effecting my opinion. I'd definitely recommend people try it, but I think I'm going back to the buggy POS that is PT3.

just found this thread.

anyone care for cliff nontes?

lol at cliff notes on 2 pages, umm basically try out HEM and if you like it and haven't bought PT3 yet consider getting it instead because basically it's similar if not better in function to PT3 and it doesn't have all the bugs and the HUD (apparently) works even with mass multitabling. I'm about to test that out, just did a bunch of stuff to try to speed up my computer, I'll let y'all know how it goes.

Well HEM failed my 20-table test, made it fine through ~12 when it started to get worse and at 20 it was simply unplayable. Still fared much better than PT3 and I've made a post in the HEM forum to try to get help, so we'll see. I'll update on what I find out.

Hmm can PT3 not data mine? I opened 20 tables but only showing stats on the one I am playing at.

What site you at? It's illegal to data-mine on Stars, so it won't do it there. Haven't played anywhere else so hopefully someone else will answer if you're somewhere else like FT.

I was on Stars :P

I'll open 20 random Full Tilt Poker tables later and see how it goes

I opened 18 windows on Full Tilt Poker fairly quickly, PT3 hud started popping up on all of them.

Full Tilt Poker told me I had to many windows open and can't open any more, lol

Ok, it was annoying as hell as they kept popping up 1 at a time as the first hand was played, but now they all seem to be running fast / stable.

Still going good :P

While it is still running smooth for me, I guess I could see why it lags others.

It is taking 20% of my CPU (I have 2 cores, so 40% if I had 1 core). Plus another 100MB of ram.

For most people that is probably a lot of CPU usage...if you want to check just press CTRL+ALT+Delete

yea PT3 is a resource hog.

I a was browsing 2p2 software forums and noticed that Poker EV is going to release a full tracking software, not sure if that will have HUD but then its just more options which is a good thing.

OMG!!!!!

HEM is the dogs bollocks!!!!

20 tabled for over an hour, not one single crash and zero f***king LAG.



Woooow my month just got a whole lot better, now if only I could win some poker moniez!

Wow really? what kind of computer do you have and processor/RAM and all that stuff? As mentioned for me ~12 got a little laggy and by 20 it was unplayable.

I'm confident I can open 40+ tables without lag, 20 tables last night was extremely smooth.

17" laptop, intel core duo 2ghz, 2gb ram,320 gb HDD. It's about 4 months old.

Plus I have imported about 180k hands in the database as well and it's autoimorting the live hands fine, no lag.

Zach, are you having lag with HEM?

Yes, when I tried 20-tabling 2nl it failed miserably. Just every time it imported a hand the entire screen would sort of refresh and take a few seconds and with that happening every few seconds basically I had very little time where it was not lagging. At ~12 everything was fine though. Been doing everything I can in the last 24 hours to get my computer to go faster, figured that must be the problem since everyone else seems to run it so smooth and I've got similar stats as you on my laptop (2 GB RAM, 2 GHz, not sure what HDD is or how to check that).

HDD is hard drive lol

Hopefully Chuck will have tested it a bit more thoroughly as well, so he can comment on LAG issues as well.

Zach your performance might be related to your video card hardware within your laptop. Some laptops have a real nice solution from ATI or nVIDIA, while others have some horrible Intel based thing that shares memory from your RAM. I think you would see a dramatic difference in the HUD between those two hardware solutions for laptops.

One thing that might help everyone (?) is to update your video card drivers. I have not tested HEM myself yet, I got the HUD working on 1 table and it worked fine (which is obviously no test in itself outside of 'did it work').